[Planet News] NAR/TRA Joint Statement on BATFE Issues, dated October 9, 2006

Non-civilian use doesn't matter. They don't need LEUPs.

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Alex Mericas
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Alleged burning. There is no proof this ever happened. Other than a friend of a friend of someone I talked to at a launch this weekend.

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Alex Mericas

You can walk into a hardware store anywhere and buy a nail gun, the nails, and the cartridges to fire them. I've had one for almost 2 decades now. The nail gun doesn't know if it's shooting into a 2x4, a concrete block, or someone's head.

And while I'm not very familiar with starter pistols, I think they use the same blank rounds as the nail guns. They are 22 shells without the bullet.

Well, with a bit of engineering to defeat the safeties built in, yes you could.

Which would make it a DOT issue to regulate, not a BATFE issue. The BATF is very clearly authorized to regulate only based on PRIMARY OR INTENDED USE. Not what else might be done with the product. Otherwise everything from flour to gasoline would require BATFE permits. And if the BATFE were to regulate any device that could deliver a dangerous payload, then they'd have to regulate Ryder trucks, panel vans, 767s, and UPS trucks.

Reply to
Bob Kaplow

Ban hammers. Ouch! And while we're banning things that can be dangerous when abused, it's time to get rid of DiHydrogen MonOxide.

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Bob Kaplow

Uh, then what about BRS' rocket-deployed airplane parachutes?

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Glen Overby

It looks like an "I". See:

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Look at the PDFs under "Portfolio" for the RDS-575. It's application is "Parachute Extraction" and the Prime Contractor is BRS Incorporated, South St. Paul, MN.

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Glen Overby

And how many reloads do you get (i.e how many recovered and reused casings so you get on a minefield)?

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Fred Shecter

Ahh, blanks.

Just ask E.G. Daily about here long dead boyfriend.

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Fred Shecter

I think BRS might have been a former client of AT/ISP. I just got confirmation from a TRA board member that BRS has switched over to Scott Dixon's company. Whatever that company's name is(?).

I swear I have a old Vulcan H100SS somewheres....

Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75

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tdstr

I've personally witnessed a number of property damage incidents. The most serious was a large dent in the side of a trailer.

One weekend, I was almost hit by rockets twice. If I was not paying attention and didn't move I would have been hit.

Brian Elfert

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Brian Elfert

Hammers, axes, even rocks should be banned.

And forget about DiHydrogen MonOxide - it's a lightweight when compared to unrefined Oxygen. After all... it's the Number-One cause of fires worldwide.

Reply to
Len Lekx

What about the two incidents in 2004? Those incidents got Bunny to form a Safety committee which is now a standing committee.

One was part of a rocket that went through the windshield and into the dash of a suburban and the other was a bonk in the head.

There was an L2 certification flight (not mine) at the Cincinati NARAM that scored hits on 3 vehicles when it came down in the vendor area (the 3rd vehicle was owned by the vendor who sold the guy the motor).

Sorry, Bob.

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Glen Overby

We use PADS to 'splooch' ICBMs from underwater up high enough before the copperhead is fired off. 'Expulsion' is such a grotesque term...

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(Fifth paragraph)

Sidebar - Not sure if they use copperheads or a Firstfire in the PAD though ;-)

BTW Sidebar - Here's a neat shot of what happened when they upscaled the PAD with the larger and heavier D5.

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some engineer had thought mother nature extrapolates linearly... :-)

I guess this PAD was close enough in the propulsion chain to qualify for propulsion...

Think the above example will help?

Just offering...

Andy

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Andy Eng

I can vouch for one incident in which 2 vehicles damaged with one rocket. No insurance claim though.

Phil

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Phil Stein

Hmm, wonder if the article is still there... Why yes it is:

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Davel

I went to the local Home Depot to research this. The nail gun cartridges they had (on open display of course) were 27 caliber. I think this is unique to nail guns.

Remember, it is the "device" that is exempt so these nail gun cartridges should be regulated. They can't be ammunition for small arms or Home Depot would need a FFL to sell the nail guns. :-)

Gasoline is specifically exempted at 27 CFR 555.141(a)(8)

"Gasoline, fertilizers, propellant actuated devices, or propellant actuated industrial tools manufactured, imported, or distributed for their intended purposes."

Reply to
David Schultz

The cartridges for nail guns (usually referred to as powder actuated tools)come in 22, 27 and less common 32 caliber. I have part of a box of green loads that I have used as blanks in a 22 rifle. Christopher Brian Deem NAR 12308 TRA 2256 level II

David Schultz wrote:

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Christopher Brian Deem

Lunarlos calm down before they make coffee a controlled substance.

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lizardqueen

I've found that White Lightning does wonders for my petunias. How about you guys???

David Erbas-White

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David Erbas-White

Ask Ray Duncan about a launch pad that hit the truck behind him at Plaster Blaster a few years back. No insurance claim was filed, as the damage was about $2500, and a check was written to keep it off the books...

I was there, so the details are not second hand.... It was the year of the V2 drag race, and I was at an away pad prepping a V2....

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AZ Woody

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