[Planet News] NAR/TRA Joint Statement on BATFE Issues, dated October 9, 2006

Easy there, big boy. Government surveillance of that posting would probably qualify you for psychopath/terroristic profiling.

Poor Steve. You know you really should get professional help.

Phil

Poor Phil.

Don't need any help. I already know how to use Zyklon.

I suppose you'd have to do a sneak attack because you don't have the balls to take me on face to face.

Phil

Poor Phil.

Liz,

No no, I am fine, just bought a new house, and my income is up. Just being realistic; maybe too realistic for some. Life is a joke on us all. We experience life, and just as most of us start to figure things out, we lose our lease on life.

I am VERY optimistic about my OWN personal life, present and future. I know how to LEGALLY keep my money and property from the tax-man. My health is good, full head of hair, and I have NO problems 'performing' for the wife :)

No my problem is that I care FAR too much about other people... this is something I need to train myself to stop doing.

Over the last few years, I have started to understand the TRUE nature of governments and that there is NO good side/part of government. Now I don't say this because I hate Bush or Clinton... no I base this on looking at THOUSANDS of years of human history. Its not that I am depressed, because my personal needs and then wants are met. I have to understand that I am tied to you via economy, via crime, via health, via taxation, vie religion, via environment, via ect.. We are only as strong as our weakest citizen; we have some VERY weak citizens. Trust me, I really need to train myself into not caring about our nation and this world. Ignorance is bliss :)

Lunar

lizardqueen wrote:

Its really a sham being done on members of BOTH organizations. I ran auctions selling rocketry items, and turned the proceeds over to the legal fund. Hundreds of Dollars out of the pockets of myself and others ( I had to buy the items wholesale, then sell them retail/auctions to public). Never received a thank you from NAR/TRA but I wasn't doing it for the 'thank-you', but instead I wanted to FIGHT [sic] the government... its really a lose/lose endeavor.

So I just went, 'off paper' with my rocketry interests. BATF/NAT/TRA have no say in what, where, or when I fly. The end :)

Lunar

AZ Woody wrote:

get everything

an easy target.

Its really a sham being done on members of BOTH organizations. I ran auctions selling rocketry items, and turned the proceeds over to the legal fund. Hundreds of Dollars out of the pockets of myself and others ( I had to buy the items wholesale, then sell them retail/auctions to public). Never received a thank you from NAR/TRA but I wasn't doing it for the 'thank-you', but instead I wanted to FIGHT [sic] the government... its really a lose/lose endeavor.

So I just went, 'off paper' with my rocketry interests. BATF/NAT/TRA have no say in what, where, or when I fly. The end :)

Lunar

AZ Woody wrote:

get everything

an easy target.

Ok Alex,

So what is the answer? How do we solve this issue to make BOTH sides happy? Just a little bit of regulation is the same as being a little bit pregnant.

If its not in the Bill of Rights, then its privilage that can be allowed/disallowed at anytime... and even the Constitution is not safe these days :(

Lunar

Alex Mericas wrote:

Darrell,

Its ok, I already have a FBI file and those who are in the know, realize that I am harmless ... although if I coul ride a nuke down the throats of Iran like Slim Pickins did in Dr. Strangelove, I would! :)

I have zero patience for BS. I see a dumb commercial on TV, I make a mental note not to buy the product or service. I see a politician moving his or her mouth from either side of th isle, I realize that they are LYING. Even if they aren't, assuming they are makes any future hurt far more bearable.

Nah, I am very harmless :)

Lunar

Darrell D. Mobley wrote:

You guys seem to know each other... just get along. Divide and conquer... see what they are doing to you guys/us?

Pit Low Power against High Power. Pit Black against White. Pit Democrat against Republican. Pit Rich against Poor. Its all a grand plan and we are but MINOR players in the GAME of life. Depressing isn't it :P

Lunar

Gus wrote:

Who is they? THe KKK? From what Steve has said to me here and offline, that seems to be the force that drives him.

Phil

And Phil is driven by lies and fantasy.

Poor Phil

My solution is to vote against incumbents and keep voting against them until our elected representatives understand that they should represent their constituents, not the government itself. As I stated, if every voter did the same the political landscape would change dramatically and quickly. Then we might have a chance in removing oppressive regulations that serve nobody except the bureaucrats that enforce them.

How about "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." Or even "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved for the States respectively, or to the people".

Between the 14th Amendment (which was never properly ratified) and the Interstate Commerce clause, the Federal Government has grown way beyond what it was intended to be.

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continue my hobby at the same time. At the same time

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I once had a leup too. But now it's a major deal...photos, fingerprints, storage. etc.

We tried to pass a bill (er, rather, a different rocket group did), and it got thrown out on its ear.. Seriously people, WE WILL NOT WIN... EVER. Even if they win the court case, ATFE will have a bill introduced THE NEXT DAY... One that will have a anti-terror name that NO CONGRESS person will vote against.

Jesus

When the safe explosives act was passed, that was just the first of many nails in the coffin.

HDS Nar

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our elected representatives understand that they

if every voter did the same the political landscape

removing oppressive regulations that serve nobody except

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Just say no to drugs.

It doesn't matter who's in. Whatever the outcome of the court case, look for some new laws introduced to throw all that effort into the toilet.

HDS

What Constitution?

Group splintering is a very effective tool in keeping the broad populace off their feet. While each group is infighting, we can't see what's really going on, such as the North American Union.

Fancy pencil holders!