[Planet News] NAR/TRA Joint Statement on BATFE Issues, dated October 9, 2006

kaplow snipped-for-privacy@encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) writes:


I've personally witnessed a number of property damage incidents. The most serious was a large dent in the side of a trailer.
One weekend, I was almost hit by rockets twice. If I was not paying attention and didn't move I would have been hit.
Brian Elfert
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Brian Elfert wrote:

Ask Ray Duncan about a launch pad that hit the truck behind him at Plaster Blaster a few years back. No insurance claim was filed, as the damage was about $2500, and a check was written to keep it off the books...
I was there, so the details are not second hand.... It was the year of the V2 drag race, and I was at an away pad prepping a V2....
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writes:

OK, I should have added "serious".
My 2001 'space' Odyssey has been hit several times. Most recent was last Sunday. Got a little yellow paint streak on the hood.
The BATFE incident is the only one involving the destruction of a vehicle. Wanna bet that it shows up on their incident report as caused by HPR?
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Bob Kaplow wrote:

I'd take that bet. The incident never happened so how could they cite it?
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What about the two incidents in 2004? Those incidents got Bunny to form a Safety committee which is now a standing committee.
One was part of a rocket that went through the windshield and into the dash of a suburban and the other was a bonk in the head.
There was an L2 certification flight (not mine) at the Cincinati NARAM that scored hits on 3 vehicles when it came down in the vendor area (the 3rd vehicle was owned by the vendor who sold the guy the motor).
Sorry, Bob.
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:30:52 -0500, Glen Overby

I can vouch for one incident in which 2 vehicles damaged with one rocket. No insurance claim though.
Phil
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AZ Woody wrote:

The device is the rocket.
Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75
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tdstr wrote:

If so, would only a fully assembled rocket qualify as a PAD? According to the ATF a tool has to be hand held (I'm sure THEIR tools are!).
I tried to do some research into rocket propelled line throwers. Are these readily available? Do they require permits? Can you purchase spare rockets without a permit? Are they always handheld? Same question about rocket flares. They certainly aren't fireworks. Are they always handheld?
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Alex Mericas wrote:

I know that the BATFE think this company has PADs;
http://www.brsparachutes.com/default.aspx
Toying with the idea of calling them up to see what they're using for a motor.
Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75
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tdstr wrote:

Just got off the phone with them. In a nutshell, they get the motors from Colorado. I didn't press too much into finding who manufactured the motors but I think it would be a safe bet that it wasn't Estes :)
Wasn't Vulcan/Scott Dixon based in Colorado?
Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75
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It looks like an "I". See:
http://www.specificimpulse.com /
    Look at the PDFs under "Portfolio" for the RDS-575. It's application     is "Parachute Extraction" and the Prime Contractor is BRS     Incorporated, South St. Paul, MN.
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Glen Overby wrote:

I think BRS might have been a former client of AT/ISP. I just got confirmation from a TRA board member that BRS has switched over to Scott Dixon's company. Whatever that company's name is(?).
I swear I have a old Vulcan H100SS somewheres....
Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75
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tdstr wrote:

Apparently this kind of system/plane was the one that hit the building in New York today...
David Erbas-White
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David Erbas-White wrote:

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Probably staged by the ATF ;-)
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writes:

Neither an air bag nor a BRS chute deployment system is hand held.
Are any civilian aircraft equiped with ejection seats? Are those considered PADs?

Virtually the same RMS motors we use were used in Iraq to clear mine fields.
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Bob Kaplow wrote:

Non-civilian use doesn't matter. They don't need LEUPs.
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And how many reloads do you get (i.e how many recovered and reused casings so you get on a minefield)?
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Bob Kaplow wrote:

Hmm, wonder if the article is still there... Why yes it is: http://www.cnn.com/TECH/space/9911/08/nasa.landmines/index.html
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Uh, then what about BRS' rocket-deployed airplane parachutes?
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tdstr wrote:

And the "device" could be one of Art's saucers!
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