Re: BATF Records and Aerotech, etc. and DoD Film Sampler

Given the discussion earlier from Ray Dunakin and Bob Kaplow, if you go to:
http://listserv.syr.edu/archives/foi-l.html
and use the search function, and search for RAVNITZKY
and ensure that you spell the name correctly or it will not work properly
and you put in some date delimiters (e.g. during the year 2003 or during the year 2002)
you will see the type of material I have been writing, resources to get the information that you already pay for with your taxes.
It's not about any specific company, it is viewing rocketry through the tinted lenses of the folks at BATF.
Michael Ravnitzky
For example, here are some interesting films I found at the Defense Department:
SOME INTERESTING DEFENSE DEPARTMENT FILMS AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST PART I - INTRODUCTION AND EXPLANATION by Michael Ravnitzky, snipped-for-privacy@ix.netcom.com
Recently I received a large partial inventory list of thousands of Defense Department motion picture films and videotapes. I have selected a tiny sampling of these films that seem interesting for some reason or other, or have remained classified for years despite evidence of some public interest in their contents. This is just a personal selection; please keep that in mind. There are thousands and thousands other films out there waiting to be viewed.
The source of these film titles and catalogue numbers are the film transfer lists and proposed transfer inventories held by the National Archives and DVIC.
Forthcoming lists of films in various subject areas will contain the addresses at the bottom rather than at the top.
Most of these films are either restricted in distribution or are still marked as classified, either confidential or secret, as noted. However, most of these films have not been reviewed for declassification or public release in many years, or even decades. You can request a copy of any of these films by writing to the following two addresses and requesting a copy of the film under the Freedom of Information Act. All of these films will be available and under the authority of one or both of the following two addresses.
The first address is the Department of Defense [DoD] FOIA Office. Note: in your request letter to DoD, you may wish to mention that these films are or were under the responsibility of the Defense Visual Information Center, DVIC, but that FOIA requests to DVIC are processed by the DoD FOIA Office.
WARNING: The DoD FOIA Office does not like to process requests for audio-visual materials such as motion picture films, because they are much more troublesome than requests for paper records. Nor do they have a very good track record in regard to processing such requests. Just keep careful track of your requests, and send in an inquiry if an excessive amount of time has gone by. You may need to send an appeal letter if too much time goes by.
The second address is the National Archives office that has accessioned some of these films--it is not entirely clear which films were accessioned and which remain at DoD. One or both of these offices have all of these films.
Freedom of Information Act Director telephone: (703) 697-1160 Directorate for Freedom of Information 1155 Defense Pentagon Washington, D.C. 20301
William G. Lewis, Archivist Motion Picture, Sound and Video Branch National Archives at College Park 8601 Adelphi Road College Park, MD 20740-6001
INTERESTING DEFENSE DEPARTMENT FILMS Part 2 - Biological and Chemical Warfare Films by Michael Ravnitzky snipped-for-privacy@ix.netcom.com
Half a Loaf: Evaluation of an Anti-Crop Weapon - SECRET chemical and biological warfare against food crops Film Number PIN 1000500 DF, Film 0949
Mustard Spray Tests with Multiple Planes - CONFIDENTIAL - Old - Film Number FB 163
Biological Warfare Film Number OD-CD TVSP7
Tactical Employment of Chemical Troops in Attack Film Number TF 3-10
Identification of U.S. Chemical Ammunitions Film Number TF-3-2658
ABCR [Atomic Biological Chemical Radiological] Warfare Decontamination, Eglin Field, Florida, 9 March - 11 May 1953 Film Number USAF 21572 - CLASSIFIED
Riot Control Munitions - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number PIN 20769 DF, Film FR 759
The U.S. Crime of Bacteriological Warfare - The Evidence a 1950s Chinese Documentary??? Film Number USAF 38216 - CONFIDENTIAL
Chemical/Biological Weapons Development, Equipment and Components USAF, early 1960s Film Number Illegible - SECRET
Medical Defense Against Biological Warfare, Part 1 Navy, Film Number Illegible - CONFIDENTIAL
Medical Defense Against Biological Warfare, Part 2-B Film Number PIN 1011349 DN, Film MN 08549B - CONFIDENTIAL
Medical Defense Against Biological Warfare, Part 3-B Film Number PIN 1011349 DN, Film MN 08549C - CONFIDENTIAL
Biological and Chemical Air Launched Weapons Film Number WEPS 1-65 - CONFIDENTIAL
Medical Aspects of NBC: Latest Developments of Chemical and Biological Warfare [HAPMB 528] - SECRET Film Number MED 28-65-A
Biological and Chemical Warfare - SECRET Film Number MN 09170-A
=========================================Any of these films may be requested from:
Freedom of Information Act Director telephone: (703) 697-1160 Directorate for Freedom of Information 1155 Defense Pentagon Washington, D.C. 20301
William G. Lewis, Archivist Motion Picture, Sound and Video Branch National Archives at College Park 8601 Adelphi Road College Park, MD 20740-6001
SOME INTERESTING DOD FILMS: Part 3: Vietnam Related Films compiled by Michael Ravnitzky snipped-for-privacy@ix.netcom.com
====================================Riot at Thu Duc Prison - Prisoners, Gia Dinh Province, Vietnam, 18 Oct. 1970 Film Number LC 56236 - CONFIDENTIAL
Rebuilding Khe Sanh Firebase Khe Sanh, South Vietnam, 29 Feb. 1971 Film Numbers LC 56252 and LC 56253 - CONFIDENTIAL
NVA Invasion, 1972 Kontum, South Vietnam, 28 April - 7 May 1972 - CONFIDENTIAL Film Numbers LC 56913 and LC 56914
US Troop Withdrawals, Koreans Take over Security Functions DMZ Korea, 21-23 April 1971 - CONFIDENTIAL Film Numbers LC 56265, 56266, 26267 and 56268
Mayaguez Control: Operation Rescue - Mayaguez Film Number VR-FS01/508 - CLASSIFIED
Recovery of the USS Mayaguez Film Number VR-FS01/509 - CLASSIFIED
SS Mayaguez Recovery - 1975 Film Number VR-FS01/511 - CLASSIFIED
Ice Cream Anyone, Da Nang Air Base, Vietnam September 1967 Film Number USAF 43600 - UNCLASSIFIED
======================= Available Upon Request From:
Freedom of Information Act Director telephone: (703) 697-1160 Directorate for Freedom of Information 1155 Defense Pentagon Washington, D.C. 20301
William G. Lewis, Archivist Motion Picture, Sound and Video Branch National Archives at College Park 8601 Adelphi Road College Park, MD 20740-6001
SOME INTERESTING DOD FILMS Part 4: Oddball or Unusual Aircraft compiled by Michael Ravnitzky snipped-for-privacy@ix.netcom.com [please note that most of these films have never been seen outside of the DoD, and thus have never been used for any television documentaries] =================================== Inflatoplane - Seaplane Version [1202-169] Film Number 945-X - CONFIDENTIAL
*Microjet* - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number USAF 33303
Reconnaissance Parasite Aircraft Film Number USAF 19661
XC-99 - Worlds Largest Land Plane Film Number USAF 19738
Convertiplane Test at Wright Patterson AFB, Aug. 1952 Film Number USAF 20772
XV-1 Convertible Airplane, McDonnell Aircraft, Aug. 1955 Film Number USAF 24123
Transcendental??? Convertible Plane Film Number USAF 24324
XFV-1 Progress Report [weird Navy Plane] Film Number USAF 21984
XV-3 Convertiplane Film Number USAF 22691
Horton Wingless Aircraft [WW2 era German Flying Wings] Film Number USAF 22259
Northrop Research Flying Wing Aircraft and XP-56 Film Number USAF 24262
MB-1 High Card Ding Dong Documentary 1955-56 Film Number USAF 23268A
The MB-1 Air to Air Rocket - SECRET Film Number PIN 1000425 DF, Film FR 27
MB-1 Documentary 1955-56 - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number USAF 29521
Big Buster, the F-89J, MB-1 Bomb System - SECRET Film Number PIN 27458 DF, Film TF 1-5335
Ryan X-13 Vertijet Film Number USAF 23711
X-13 Vertijet, Edwards AFB, CA, May 1956 Film Number USAF 25816
X-13 Transition Phase Film Number USAF 25817
Second F-100D Piloted Zero Length Launch, 11 Apr. 1958 Edwards AFB, CA Film Number USAF 25873
LZ-127 Graf Zeppelin, Friedrichshafen, Germany 1928 Film Number USAF 24056
Early Helicopter and Autogiro Tests Film Number USAF 25516
First Helicopters for the Army Film Number USAF 25516A
25th Anniversary of the USAF Helicopter Film Number PS 104-9/50-1
The B-70 Weapon Introduction System - CLASSIFIED Film Number USAF 26350
XB-70 Progress Report 1963 Film Number USAF 36374
The B-70 Weapon System - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number USAF 26997
B-70 Film Progress Report - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number USAF 28149
B-70 Joining Concept - SECRET Film Number USAF 27514
SR-71, June 1966 - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number USAF 41332
SR-71 Project, Beale AFB, April 1966 - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number USAF 43370
RS-71 Air to Air Footage Film Number USAF 38289
The Story of the 100th Strategic Reconnaissance Wing [U-2 and later SR-71 aircraft] Film Number SFP 2144, PIN 26750 DF - SECRET
100 Strategic Reconnaissance Wing - SECRET Film Number USAF 47207
C-5 Galaxy Aircraft Model Ditching Investigation 1968 Film Number EC-13-68
Dyna-Soar Wind Tunnel Tests [Dyna Soar was a 1960s Air Force space shuttle design] Film Number USAF 27224
USAF Presents a Report on the Dyna-Soar Progress, April 1960 - June 1961 Film Number USAF 29561
Dyna-Soar Mockup Inspection Film Number USAF 29993
Dyna-Soar Program - CLASSIFIED Film Number USAF 31246
X-20 Dyna-Soar - April 1962 - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number USAF 33060A
Human Downward Ejection Tests Film Number EC-30
Space Ship Take Off; A Technical Fantasy [A Seized German WW2 era Film???] USAF 28533
MiG-25 Foxbat - SECRET Film Number PIN 47236, FLV 13-0013, videotape
MiG-25 Foxbat - SECRET Film Number VT-D0365/807CH
Operation of System 119-L - SECRET [an intercontinental reconnaissance balloon mid-air recovery program] Air Force Film Number Illegible
======================================= Any of these films may be requested from:
Freedom of Information Act Director telephone: (703) 697-1160 Directorate for Freedom of Information 1155 Defense Pentagon Washington, D.C. 20301
William G. Lewis, Archivist Motion Picture, Sound and Video Branch National Archives at College Park 8601 Adelphi Road College Park, MD 20740-6001
INTERESTING DEFENSE DEPARTMENT FILMS Part 5 - Flying Disk Aircraft by Michael Ravnitzky snipped-for-privacy@ix.netcom.com ================================= Avrocar I Flying Disk Aircraft Progress Report, Feb. 1958 - May 1959 Film Number USAF 29668
Flying Disk Aircraft Classified Film - CLASSIFIED Film Number USAF 29669
Avrocar Flying Disk Aircraft Progress Report Film Number USAF 29670
Avrocar Flying Disk Aircraft Progress Report Film Number USAF 29671
Avrocar Vehicle Manufacture Film Number USAF 29672
Avrocar Flying Disk Aircraft Progress Report Film Number USAF 29673
Avrocar Flying Disk Aircraft Progress Report Film Number USAF 29675
Avrocar Flying Disk Aircraft Progress Report Film Number USAF 29676
Avrocar Flying Disk Aircraft Progress Report Film Number USAF 31347
Advanced Pyewacket Progress Film Number USAF 28520
=========================================Any of these films may be requested from:
Freedom of Information Act Director telephone: (703) 697-1160 Directorate for Freedom of Information 1155 Defense Pentagon Washington, D.C. 20301
William G. Lewis, Archivist Motion Picture, Sound and Video Branch National Archives at College Park 8601 Adelphi Road College Park, MD 20740-6001
Some Interesting Dod Films: Part 6 - Broken Arrow Nuclear Accidents and other Incidents compiled by Michael Ravnitzky snipped-for-privacy@ix.netcom.com ======================================= F-105B Incident, September 1958 Film Number USAF 27567
Atlas ICBM Blows Up On Pad Film Number USAF 29764
B-52 Crack Up, Yuba City, Colorado, Broken Arrow Incident, 14 Mar. 1961 - SECRET Film Number USAF 27815
U-2 Salvage Operation, Key West Naval Station 23 November 1963 - SECRET Film Number USAF 35853
Broken Arrow B-52 Crash Near Cumberland, MD 1-13-64 Film Number USAF 36970 - SECRET
Broken Arrow Near Cumberland, Maryland, 14-15 Jan 1964 Film Number USAF 36052 - SECRET
Disaster Control, B-52 and KC-135 Team Operations, Palomares, Spain, 1966 Film Number USAF 40730B - SECRET
Midair Collision, B-52 / KC-135, Camp Wilson, Spain 6 and 7 February 1966 Film Number USAF 40730C - SECRET
B-52 Crash at Thule, Thule AFB, Greenland Jan./Feb. 1968 Film Number USAF 43765 - SECRET
Broken Arrow Nuclear Accident - Date/Location Unknown Film Number USAF 50655 - SECRET
B-52 Landing Incident, Edwards AFB, CA, early 1955 Film Number USAF 24401
C-123B Crash, Thailand, April 1963 - CLASSIFIED Film Number USAF 36721
Nuclear Training - Emergency Nuclear Weapons Evacuation Film Number PIN 28091 DF, Film TF 6578 - SECRET
======================================= Any of these films may be requested from:
Freedom of Information Act Director telephone: (703) 697-1160 Directorate for Freedom of Information 1155 Defense Pentagon Washington, D.C. 20301
William G. Lewis, Archivist Motion Picture, Sound and Video Branch National Archives at College Park 8601 Adelphi Road College Park, MD 20740-6001
Some Interesting DoD Films, Part 7: Intelligence and Counter-Intelligence Matters compiled by Michael Ravnitzky, snipped-for-privacy@ix.netcom.com
======================================= Intelligence Operations - Air Sea Land Exfiltration Film Number TF 30-3514-B - CONFIDENTIAL
Intelligence Operations - Air Sea Land Infiltration Film Number TF 30-3514-A - CONFIDENTIAL
ALSOS Mission, Colonel Pash Reports, 1941-1948 [ALSOS targeted WW2 German nuclear and chem/bio research] dec. file supplemental file 210.68 16 mm film at Record Group 319.0004 - STILL CLASSIFIED!
A Day in the USSR - CLASSIFIED Film Number USAF 20844
Taiwan Alert, September 1958 - CLASSIFIED Film Number USAF 26819
Recognition Training - Sino Soviet Aircraft Film Number FS 3187 - CLASSIFIED
Aircraft Recognition - Soviet Jet Aircraft Recognition Film Number PIN 1011004 DN, MN 06898-D - CONFIDENTIAL
Aircraft Recognition - Soviet Jet Aircraft Recognition Film Number PIN 1011005 DN, MN 06898-E - CONFIDENTIAL
Communist Defeat in Malaya Film Number USAF 36343
The Thrill of it All - National Security Seminar Film Number USAF 36388 - CLASSIFIED
Reporting Espionage, Sabotage, Terrorism and Subversion Film Number VR-D1-569/508CH
Interview With Soviet Pilot - SECRET Film Number USAF 50791
Defector: A Soviet Pilot - SECRET Film Number PIN 51187 DF, Film AVR 239
Defector: A Chinese Pilot - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number PIN 51337 DF, Film TS 1471
Conrolled Counter-Intelligence Assets - SECRET Film Number PIN 47600 DF, Film TF 6312
Red Flag 78-5: Quick Look - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number PIN 50276 DF, Film TS 0992
Red Flag 79-2 Quick Look - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number TS 1334
Blue Flag SAM/TAC Air ECM Confrontation Film Number PIN 48139, Film TS-1172 - SECRET
So You Think You re Secure? - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number PIN 28059 DF, Film TF 6502
The Third Man is Listening - SECRET Film Number AVA 145
Countering Vehicular Kidnapping - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number TS 723
Responsibilities for Latin America, Jan. 1963 Film Number Illegible - SECRET
HUMIT Film Number USAF 49637 - SECRET
Protection of the President Film Number PIN 21019 DF, Film FRV 1029
Skyjacking Film Number FS 3262
TAC Intelligence Briefing Nicaragua TIP-83-21 - SECRET Film Number PIN 600660 DF, RB DF3
TAC Intelligence Briefing - People's Republic of China - SECRET Film Number PIN 600661 DF, RB DF3
TAC Intelligence Briefing - Poland TIP-83-22 - SECRET Film Number PIN 600664 DF, RB DF3
TAC Intelligence Briefing - Soviet Assault Helicopters - SECRET Film Number PIN 600665 DF, RB DF3
OPSEC in Action - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number PIN 11273 DF, Film TF 6651 - videotape
Target Intelligence In Action - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number PIN 26249, Film SFP 661
Deception: Methods Soviets Use to Deceive US Aircrews Film Number PIN 48124, FLV 04-0020 - SECRET
Worldwide Security Police Symposium - The Threat Videotape - SECRET Film Number PIN 50691 DF, Film AVR 148
RX for STINFO - scientific & technical information Film Number FR 0541
USAF Counterinsurgency Course: British Tactics for Counterinsurgency Film Number TF 1-5542-F
Naval Intelligence - The Intelligence Cycle Film Number MN 10889B - CONFIDENTIAL
Informants - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number MA 98560 or MN 9850
Enemy Territory, USA - SECRET Film Number MN 11018
Naval Intelligence - The Naval Scientific and Technical Intelligence Center Film Number MN 10889D - SECRET
Naval Intelligence - Naval Reconnaissance and Technical Support Center Film Number MN 10889E - SECRET
Naval Intelligence - Intelligence and You Film Number MN 08279B
Communication Discipline - videotape - SECRET Film Number PIN 52745 DF
Communication Security Briefing - the ALPHA 3 Story Film Number PS 99-1/C - CONFIDENTIAL
OSI Source System - Contact and Sources Film Number TF 6492 - CONFIDENTIAL
AND ALSO SOME AUDIO TAPES
The U.S. Army Intelligence Command seminar briefing, speaker B/G William Blakefield February 20, 1969, 7" Tape Reels 1, 2 and 3 - CONFIDENTIAL Accession number Record Group 319.009, 319.010, and 310.011 The US Intelligence Command, speaker B/G William Blakefield, April 10, 1969, Accession Number Record Group 319.012 CONFIDENTIAL, 7" Tape Reel
Command Readiness presentation to Chief of Staff, June 17, 1966, accession number Record Group 319.013 CONFIDENTIAL
Intelligence Command briefing by B/G William Blakefield, October 12, 1967 in Bell Hall Auditorium, Record Group 319.015 - CONFIDENTIAL
======================================= Any of these films may be requested from:
Freedom of Information Act Director telephone: (703) 697-1160 Directorate for Freedom of Information 1155 Defense Pentagon Washington, D.C. 20301
William G. Lewis, Archivist Motion Picture, Sound and Video Branch National Archives at College Park 8601 Adelphi Road College Park, MD 20740-6001
The audio tapes are available only from the National Archives.
Some Interesting DoD Films, Part 8: World War II Era and Earlier Materials compiled by Michael Ravnitzky, snipped-for-privacy@ix.netcom.com ======================================= Berlin Bomb Damage - World War II - CLASSIFIED Film Number AAFCFS 3396
Casualties of War - SECRET Film Number WF 49
Disney Film: Victory Through Air Power - de Seversky Film Number USAF 38105
Ball Turret School Film Number AAFCFS 1484
Controlling German Prisoners of War Film Number FB 164
The Baseball Grenade Film Number FB 19212
Oriental Prisoners of War Film Number FB 19239
World War I Footage Film Number USAF 45408
A War Department Report on German Morale Film Number WF 42
Horse Power Film Number EF 172
Military Mountain Climbing Film Number CMC 8-58
Story of German Atrocities at Dachau and Buchenwald, Germany April - May 1945 Film Number USAF 23200
1930 and 1931 Newsreel Film Number USAF 23961
1930-1931 Newsreels Film Number USAF 24084
Army Air Corps News in 1932 Newsreels Film Number USAF 24033
1934 Newsreel Film Number USAF 23962
1935 Newsreel Film Number USAF 23772
1936 Newsreel Film Number USAF 23933
1937 Newsreel Film Number USAF 23771
1937 and 1938 Newsreel Film Number USAF 23837
1938 Newsreel Film Number 23959
1938A Newsreel Film Number USAF 23960
Army Air Corps Newsreel from 1939 Film Number USAF 24032
1940 Newsreel Film Number USAF 24397
1941 Newsreel Film Number USAF 24666
=======================================Any of these films may be requested from:
Freedom of Information Act Director telephone: (703) 697-1160 Directorate for Freedom of Information 1155 Defense Pentagon Washington, D.C. 20301
William G. Lewis, Archivist Motion Picture, Sound and Video Branch National Archives at College Park 8601 Adelphi Road College Park, MD 20740-6001
Some Interesting DoD Films, Part 9: Nuclear Powered Aircraft and Missiles compiled by Michael Ravnitzky, snipped-for-privacy@ix.netcom.com ======================================= Project Orion - Film Report No. 1 - CLASSIFIED Film Number USAF 27597
Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion Program: Manned Aircraft Film Number PIN 20619 DF, Film FR-3A - SECRET
Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion Program - manned Aircraft, 1956-1958 - SECRET Film Number PIN 20619 DF, Film FR-3A
Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion Orientation Film Number PIN 26172 DF, Film SFP-342A
Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion Status Report, 1955 Film Number PIN 26173 DF, Film SFP 3429
The Nuclear Ramjet Program - Pluto, 1963 Film Number FR-0258 - SECRET
Project Pluto - Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion, Eighth Summary Film Report, July-December 1962 Film Number USAF 34537 - SECRET
Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion Systems, Fifth Summary Film Report, 1961 Film Number USAF 37438 - SECRET
Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion Systems, First Summary Film Report, 1959 Film Number USAF 37487 - SECRET
Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion Systems, Second Summary Film Report, 1960 Film Number USAF 37488 - SECRET
Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion Systems, Third Summary Film Report, 1960 Film Number USAF 37489 - SECRET
Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion Systems, Fourth Summary Film Report, 1960 Film Number USAF 37490 - SECRET
Project Pluto, Sixth Summary Film Report, 1962 Film Number USAF 37491 - SECRET
Project Pluto Seventh Summary Film Report, 1962 Film Number USAF 37492 - SECRET
LASVN2 1964 Annual Report, Low Altitude Supersonic Vehicle Nuclear Film Number USAF 38911 - SECRET
LASV-N1 1963 Progress Report, Low Altitude Supersonic Nuclear Vehicle Film Number USAF 38912 - SECRET
Pluto Ceramic Fule Elements Tory IIC - SECRET Film Number USAF 38914
Nuclear Powered Missile Study Film Number USAF 38918 - SECRET
Project Pluto Nuclear Reactor Fuel Fabrication Film Number USAF 38921 - SECRET
Nuclear Powered Missile Study, Supersonic Low Altitude Missile Film Number USAF 38922 - SECRET
Low Altitude Supersonic Vehicle Nuclear Progress Report Number 2, December 1963 Film Number USAF 38925 - SECRET
Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion Program: ROVER, PLUTO, SNAP, Progress Report, 1956-68 Film Number FR-0003-B
=======================================Any of these films may be requested from:
Freedom of Information Act Director telephone: (703) 697-1160 Directorate for Freedom of Information 1155 Defense Pentagon Washington, D.C. 20301
William G. Lewis, Archivist Motion Picture, Sound and Video Branch National Archives at College Park 8601 Adelphi Road College Park, MD 20740-6001
Some Interesting DoD Films, Part 10: Classified Film Reports to Congress compiled by Michael Ravnitzky, snipped-for-privacy@ix.netcom.com ======================================= The Air Force Reports to Congress - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number FR-0499
Report to the 89th Congress - 1966 - SECRET Film Number FR-0604
Report to the 90th Congress - SECRET Film Number FR-0673
Report to the 90th Congress, Second Session - SECRET Film Number FR-0876
Report to the 91st Congress, First Session - SECRET Film Number FR-1030A
Report to the 91st Congress, Second Session - SECRET Film Number FR-1133
Report to 91st Congress, Second Session - Outtakes Film Number USAF 46338
=======================================Any of these films may be requested from:
Freedom of Information Act Director telephone: (703) 697-1160 Directorate for Freedom of Information 1155 Defense Pentagon Washington, D.C. 20301
William G. Lewis, Archivist Motion Picture, Sound and Video Branch National Archives at College Park 8601 Adelphi Road College Park, MD 20740-6001
Some Interesting DoD Films, Part 11: Human Factors Miscellaneous Films compiled by Michael Ravnitzky, snipped-for-privacy@ix.netcom.com ======================================= Rocket Sled Runs - Human Subjects Film Number USAF 23250
Radiation Hazard From Flight Through Atomic Clouds Film Number USAF 23311 - CLASSIFIED
Radiation Hazards From Flight Through Atomic Clouds Film Number SFP 446
Combat Fatigue Psychosomatic Disorders Film Number TF 1-8126
Bionics Research Film Number EC-10-65
Experimental Studies of Human Reaction to Impact Forces Film Number PIN 1011536, MN 09124
Sustinance of Man in Aerospace Film Number EC-14-65
Submarine Escape Film Number PIN 1011079 DN, MN 07418-C
Urinary Diversion; Heitz-Boyer Procedure Film Number EC-27-68
Human Tolerance to Intense Heat Film Number EC-34-68
Report on Project Volscon - subject unknown??? Film Number ER-2
Crash Survival Research Film Number ER-3
Project Alpha - CLASSIFIED Film Number ER-9
Explosive Decompression Pulmonary Pathology Film Number ER-16
Physiological Testing - Washout Cadets Film Number USAF 27576
Bio-Science, Studies in Advanced Vehicles Discoverer, Mice Film Number USAF 27691 - CLASSIFIED
RB-66 Rocket Catapult Test and Ejection 22 May - 17 August 1959 - Live Monkey Test Film Number USAF 27573-A
Zero-G - Pigeons in Zero Gravity Film Number USAF 28708
Primate Tolerance - Chimps Film Number USAF 29429
Primate Vibration Tolerance Film Number USAF 36402
Excelsior III - Joseph Kittinger Jump from 103,000 ft, 16 August 1960 Film Number USAF 29448
Human Factors Test Experimental Stress Project Film Number USAF 34359 - SECRET
Physiology of Space - Eating in Zero Gravity Film Number USAF 31296
Effects of Vibration on Human Performance Film Number USAF 31354
=======================================Any of these films may be requested from:
Freedom of Information Act Director telephone: (703) 697-1160 Directorate for Freedom of Information 1155 Defense Pentagon Washington, D.C. 20301
William G. Lewis, Archivist Motion Picture, Sound and Video Branch National Archives at College Park 8601 Adelphi Road College Park, MD 20740-6001
Some Interesting DoD Films, Part 12: Atomic Weapons and Warfare compiled by Michael Ravnitzky, snipped-for-privacy@ix.netcom.com ======================================= The Atomic Bomb at Sea - SECRET Film Number MF-20-8125
Davy Crockett; Weapons System - CONFIDENTIAL [the Atomic Bazooka] Film Number MF-9-9315
280mm Atomic Artillery Shell - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number TF-38-1842
Fire and Atomic Weapons - CLASSIFIED Film Number USAF 23680
Air Force Rail Transfer System for Handling Special Weapons Film Number USAF 24020
Nuclear Weapons Film Number AVS-8-021
Tactical Employment of Atomic Weapons in Support of Ground Troops Film Number TF-20-1937
The Pentomic Army, 1959, 50 minutes Film Number TF-20-2561
Effect of Atomic Weapons and Troops in the Field Film Number MF-20-8598
A is For Atom Film Number MF-20-8636
Effects of Nuclear Weapons Film Number MF-20-8927
Effects of Fire and Fire-Fighting Agents on Lithium Hydride Film Number USAF 25193 - CLASSIFIED
Air to Air Nuclear Weapons - CLASSIFIED Film Number USAF 25732
Atomic Weapon Cookoff Test Number 2, Aberdeen, MD Jan 1957 Film Number USAF 25801 - CLASSIFIED
The Minuteman III Missile - CLASSIFIED Film Number B-1785
The Minuteman III Missile, Mark XII Animation Film Number B-1857
This is Atlas - Annual Progress Report Film Number USAF 26710 - CLASSIFIED
Existing Nuclear Development Sites and Current Technical Highlights Film Number ER-60 - CLASSIFIED
ICBM-IRBM Special Report, 31 December 1956 Film Number USAF 31570 - CLASSIFIED
IRBM Progress Report 1958 Film Number USAF 34222
Minuteman Re-entry Box Seat, Eniwetok 1964 Film Number USAF 38309 - CLASSIFIED
Minuteman Re-entry Brass Ring, Eniwetok, 1964 Film Number USAF 38310 - CLASSIFIED
Nuclear Effects During SAC Mission - SECRET Film Number PIN 1001858 DF, Film TF1-5363
Non-U.S. NATO ADO Custodian Training - SECRET [giving other countries control of nuclear weapons] Film Number PIN 27636 DF, Film TF 5544
C-130 Nuclear Airlift - SECRET Film Number PIN 10002029 DF, Film 5803
Hydrogen - SECRET PIN 27410 DF, Film TF-1-5147
Strategic System Survival in a Nuclear War - SECRET Film Number PIN 20931, Film FR-1155
Effects of Nuclear Weapons - Target Considerations Film Number PIN 27432, Film TF 1-5220 - CONFIDENTIAL
Techniques for Employment of High Speed Bombers Film Number USAF 25934-B - CONFIDENTIAL
Atomic Demolition, Part 1, T46EZ Flying Device Film Number MA-8872-A - SECRET
Atomic Demolition, Part 4 - SECRET Film Number MA-8872-D
Atomic Demolition, Part 5, 7-4 Munitions Film Number MA-8872-E - SECRET
Delivery of Atomic Depth Bombs - SECRET Film Number PIN 1011408 DN, MN 08846
This is Bullpup - CONFIDENTIAL FILM PIN 1011380 DN, MN 08736A
Regulus I - Tactical Capabilities - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number PIN 1011662 DN, MN 09394
Navy Employment of Atomic Weapons - Controlled Destruction Film Number PIN 1016100 DN, MN 09368 - CONFIDENTIAL
Developments in Nuclear Attack Delivery 1958 - SECRET Film Number AER 9-58
Atomic Bomb at Sea - SECRET Film Number MN 07856
Naval Atomic Weapons Vulnerability Program - SECRET Film Number ORD 9-59
Preparation for Firing 8 Inch Atomic Artillery Shells, Armed Forces Special Weapons Project, Color/Sound Film Number X1-1/9, 052157 - SECRET/RESTRICTED DATA
Modern Navy Weapons - SECRET/RESTRICTED DATA BuOrd, Color/Sound Film Number J12 052159
Atomic Bombs at Sea US Naval Photographic Center Film Number F41-6[19] 070953 - SECRET/RESTRICTED DATA
=======================================Any of these films may be requested from:
Freedom of Information Act Director telephone: (703) 697-1160 Directorate for Freedom of Information 1155 Defense Pentagon Washington, D.C. 20301
William G. Lewis, Archivist Motion Picture, Sound and Video Branch National Archives at College Park 8601 Adelphi Road College Park, MD 20740-6001
Some Interesting DoD Films, Part 13: Forecasts and Technology Predictions compiled by Michael Ravnitzky, snipped-for-privacy@ix.netcom.com ======================================= New Horizons II, Parts One and Two - SECRET Film Number USAF 49770
Beginning of a New Era - CLASSIFIED Film Number ER 34
Culture Beat - 1975 A.D. - a 1960 film Film Number USAF 28778
Eye in the Sky, Technology for Tomorrow Film Number USAF 31309
Project Second Look - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number FR 0367
Air Force Sword & Shield, 1961-1970 - a 1960 film Film Number FR 0189 - CONFIDENTIAL
Technology Classification - Project Forecast Film Number USAF 49633 - CONFIDENTIAL
Future Strategic Weapons of the Air Force, a 1964 film Film Number USAF 50818 - CONFIDENTIAL
Intelligence Briefing, Soviet Air/ICBM Threat to the U.S., 1959-1963 - SECRET Film Number FR 0059
Probable Soviet Space Development USAF Film Report 61 - SECRET Film Number FR-0200-A
The Difficult and the Impossible, The Air Force Program and the Soviet Threat - SECRET Film Number Illegible
Limited War and Consideration - SECRET Film Number USAF 49629
Project Forecast - Short Version - SECRET Film Number USAF 49634
Air Force 1980 - a 1970 film - SECRET Film Number USAF 49635
General Schriver Forecast - SECRET Film Number USAF 49639
Forecast Close Military Capabilities - SECRET Film Number USAF 49641
New Weapons - SECRET Film Number MN 09037 =======================================Any of these films may be requested from:
Freedom of Information Act Director telephone: (703) 697-1160 Directorate for Freedom of Information 1155 Defense Pentagon Washington, D.C. 20301
William G. Lewis, Archivist Motion Picture, Sound and Video Branch National Archives at College Park 8601 Adelphi Road College Park, MD 20740-6001
Some Interesting DoD Films, Part 14: Early Laser Weapons compiled by Michael Ravnitzky, snipped-for-privacy@ix.netcom.com ======================================= Laser Effects - Kirtland AFB, NM, 15 Aug. 1972 Film Number USAF 60402 - SECRET
Laser Effects - Kirtland AFB, NM, 6-8 Dec. 1972 Film Number USAF 60402-A - SECRET
Laser Gun - Kirtland AFB, NM, 19 Sept. 1972 Film Number USAF 60403 - SECRET
Flashback - Kirtland AFB, NM, 28 May 1970 Film Number USAF 60404 - SECRET
Laser Briefing Film - Kirtland AFB, NM, March 1973 Film Number USAF 60406 - SECRET
=======================================Any of these films may be requested from:
Freedom of Information Act Director telephone: (703) 697-1160 Directorate for Freedom of Information 1155 Defense Pentagon Washington, D.C. 20301
William G. Lewis, Archivist Motion Picture, Sound and Video Branch National Archives at College Park 8601 Adelphi Road College Park, MD 20740-6001
Some Interesting DoD Films, Part 15: Miscellaneous Interesting Films compiled by Michael Ravnitzky, snipped-for-privacy@ix.netcom.com =======================================This is an assortment of unusual or otherwise interesting films that I have located. Some are interesting simply because they remain classified even after many years. Others, while not classified, remain restricted and off limits to the public for no discernable reason. Please note that this is only a very very tiny percentage of all of the films that are available. Although I will soon post instructions on how to obtain complete film lists, please note that the full lists are extremely awkward to use for a number of reasons.
A Century of Army Signals, 1860-1960, A Centennial Message from the Chief Signal Corps Film Number MF-11-9220
Electronic Warfare - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number MF-11-8912
Beyond Tomorrow - The Story of an American Girl Film Number MF-208418
No Fox Hole in the Sky Film Number USAF 20861
Gun Camera Footage of MiG Kills, Korea, march 1953 Film Number USAF 20931
The Jet Story Film Number USAF 21501
Highlights in Research and Development, 1953 & 1954 Film Number USAF 21601
Soviet Bombers, May 1954 - CLASSIFIED Film Number USAF 21858
Candid Shots; Major Murray and Major Yeager Alongside the Bell X-1A Aircraft, Sept. 1954 Film Number USAF 21924
RB-66 Weapons System - CLASSIFIED Film Number USAF 22189
The Falcon Story - CLASSIFIED [missile] Film Number USAF 22902
The Falcon Story - Second Revision - CLASSIFED Film Number USAF 24055
MC-130E Combat Talon Capabilities - CLASSIFIED Film Number AVS-O-146
Project Bird Dog, Edwards AFB, CA - CLASSIFIED Film Number USAF 23397
Military Aid to Libya, July 1956 Film Number USAF 23437
Brass Ring Progress Report Number One, MX-1457 Film Number USAF 23582 - CLASSIFIED
First Flight of YF-105A, Edwards AFB, 22 Oct. 1955 Film Number USAF 23699 - CLASSIFIED
T-37 Accident Film Number AVS-2-384
Introduction to the F-107A Fighter/Bomber Film Number USAF 24012 - CLASSIFED
Weapons System 123A - Goose - 1956 Report Film Number USAF 24110 - CLASSIFIED
Project Hiran Manilla Air Station, South Cay North Danger Island, South China Sea Film Number USAF 24356 - CLASSIFIED
Anti-Jamming Technique - CLASSIFIED Film Number USAF 24457
Electronic Countermeasures Film Number AVS-8-022
Conventional Weapons Film Number AVS-8-024
Soviet Industry - Classified Version Film Number USAF 24871
X-15 High Temperature Structural Testing Film Number USAF 25084 - CLASSIFIED
Phase II Flight Tests of Boeing XB-52, Nov 52 to Mar 53 Film Number USAF 25206 - CLASSIFIED
The Long Range Intercepter Weapon System 202A Film Number USAF 25446 - CLASSIFIED
MiG Kill Film Number CP-56
MiG Kill Film Number CP-57
Soveit Manned Space Flight, Vostok I-VI Film Number EC-20-65 - CLASSIFIED
The Eagles Strength Film Number USAF 26758
Gunship II, 21 August 1967 - CLASSIFIED Film Number EC-11-68
NASA's Project Mercury Film Number USAF 27195
Sierra, The Formosa Series [Project RAND] Film Number USAF 27232 - CLASSIFIED
Operation Eastward Ho, Kadena AF, Okinawa 8-12 December 1958 - CLASSIFIED Film Number USAF 26918
Agencies of Air Power - CLASSIFIED Film Number ER-85
Coronet Brief - Electronic Warfare Threats and Countermeasures - CLASSIFIED Film Number FS-3163
Tactical Electronic Warfare Penetration Aids Film Number FS-3251 - CLASSIFIED
Pigs to the Pacific, Hickam AFB, Hawaii, 18 Jan 1960 Film Number USAF 29360
Dedication of the Los Angeles International Airport 1961 Film Number USAF 31248
Air Police Documentary - 1961 Film Number USAF 31254
Bob Hope Christmas Television Show - 1961 Film Number USAF 31303
The Armored Sky - CLASSIFIED Film Number USAF 31456
Paisley Print, Wright Patterson AFB, OH - CLASSIFIED Film Number SPR 7-73
Highlights of the Hughes Beanstalk Proposal Film Number USAF 43610
Soviet Space Crew Soyuz Training - CLASSIFED Film Number SPR-20-70
=======================================Any of these films may be requested from:
Freedom of Information Act Director telephone: (703) 697-1160 Directorate for Freedom of Information 1155 Defense Pentagon Washington, D.C. 20301
William G. Lewis, Archivist Motion Picture, Sound and Video Branch National Archives at College Park 8601 Adelphi Road College Park, MD 20740-6001
Some Interesting DoD Motion Picture Films, Part 16: More Miscellaneous Films compiled by Michael Ravnitzky, snipped-for-privacy@ix.netcom.com ======================================= Combat Report - Jap Suicide Attack - WW2 - SECRET Film Number MN-0920-J-1
Combat Report - Kamikazi Attack Film Number MN-09020-J-26
Weather Modification, Number One Film Number WEPS 9-70 - SECRET
Weather Modification, Number Two - D-A-LHL-71-1 Film Number WEPS 1-71 - SECRET
The Use of Forest Fires as a Tactical Weapon, Program 67001 - SECRET Film Number USAF 49611
Biological and Chemical Air-Launched Weapons Film Number PIN 1011718 DN, MN-10309 - CONFIDENTIAL
Hot Hand Project, 16 Dec. 1959 - 21 Dec. 1960 [mid-air pickup of space capsules and reentry vehicles] Film Number USAF 269050
Hot Hand Project - Sentry G Chase - 1958 Film Number USAF 27929
NASA Project Mercury Film Number USAF 27195
Reentry and Recovery; Cool Water II Eniwetok Marshall Islands - 29 Aug. 1963 Film Number USAF 38305 - CLASSIFIED
Survivability Technology Film Number SPR-35-69 - CLASSIFIED
Air Force in Unconventional Warfare - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number PIN 26419 DF, Film SFP-1247
World Wide Airborne Posts Command Film Number PIN 20805 DF, Film FR 840 - SECRET
Low Level Mission Techniques, B-47 - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number PIN 27478 DF, Film TF1-5354-A
Commando Unit V - SECRET Film Number PIN 20953 DF, Film FR 1246
BMEWS Mission - Men of the Top - SECRET Film Number PIN 27745 DF, Film TF 5746
American Space Defense - SECRET Film Number PIN 1002065 DF, Film TF 6041
Annual Guided Missile Review - SECRET Film Number PIN 20621, Film FR-34
Strategic Air Command Film Report No. 4: How Combat Target Information is Obtained and Developed Film Number PIN 1000431 DF, Film FR-198 - SECRET
Soviet Concepts and Capabilities for Theatre War in Europe - SECRET Film Number USAF 49960
High Altitude Intercepts - ADC Tactical Report #4 Film Number FR-0223
SAC [Strategic Air Command] and the Cuban Crisis Film Number FR-0351
ADC and the Cuban Crisis Film Number FR-0361
USAF Gunship Operations - CLASSIFIED Film Number PS 181-1/C
*Ralph*/Meteorites/Antarctica Film Number 55661
Ampex: Television Backpack Film Number PS 660-C
F-14 Tomcat Briefing August 1973 w/cartoons Film Number RG343.0055 - CLASSIFIED
Operation Party Line - ECM Support Aircraft Protection for Bombers - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number PIN 1001547 DF, Film SFP-0549
Guided Missiles - A Film Report - 1947 - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number MN-09152
Canadian Arctic Operation - 1947 - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number PIN 1010924 DN, MN-06666
Strike Footage - Vietnam - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number 53806
Strike Footage - Vietnam - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number 53807
Swimmer Sapper Defense, PFCCG Project 073-70 Film Number 1591-X - CONFIDENTIAL
Hamlin Submurgical Amphibian - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number 379-X
Homemade Incindiary Devices - DA-PHH-05-71 Film Number WEPS 5-71
The Untold Story - SECRET Film Number MN 05836
The F9F-6 Cougar Familiarization - Flight Ops Film Number PIN 1011162 DN, MN-08045-F - CONFIDENTIAL
Operation Aesop - Guided Missile - SECRET Film Number PIN 1011232 DN, MN-08215-A
Airship Ground Handling Film Number PIN 1011233 DN, MN-08219
Air Towed Sonar From Airships - 1954 - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number MN-08059
FJ-4B Aircraft Familiarization - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number PIN 1011377 DN, MN 08660
Submarine Service UDT - Maneuvers - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number PIN 1011551 DN, MN-09162
Air-Intercept Missiles - AIM-9C, AIM-9D, Sidewinder 1C Film Number PIN 1011713 DN, MN-09996-A - CONFIDENTIAL
American Space Defense - SECRET Film Number PIN 1002065 DF, Film TF-6041
F-111 Weapon System Defensive Tactics - SECRET Film Number PIN 27931 DF, Film TF 6173-E
Interceptor Armament Employment - Weapons Characteristics Film Number PIN 27966 DF, Film TF 6266 - CONFIDENTIAL
Igloo White [airdropped jungle listening microphone sensors in Southeast Asia] Film Numbers 71-VBP-PB-2119, 71-VBP-PB-2120, 71-VBP-PB-2121 and 71-VBP-PB-2128
Igloo White - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number PIN 21026, FRV-1270
E-3A AWACS Orientation - SECRET Film Number PIN 39324, AVA 0817
Spacepower, October 1966 - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number FR-0676-B
The Holloman [AFB] Story - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number SFP-367
Spread Eagle - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number USAF 32876
Radar Camouflage of a Jet Aircraft - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number USAF 34280
Operation Bowling Ball - CONFIDENTIAL Film Number USAF 36932
Annual Activities Report 1966 - Foreign Technology - SECRET Film Number USAF FR-0699
Air Force Systems Command Annual Activities Report, Foreign Technology - SECRET Film Number FR-0786-A
Mission North - SECRET Film Number Illegible
OPFRAG - Stick Candy - PROJECT Film Number Illegible
Project Genie - SECRET Film Number USAF 27976
Operation Mantrac - SECRET Film Number USAF 33788
Operation Blue Banner - SECRET Film Number USAF 34202-A
Manned Orbital Laboratory Pressure Suit Evaluation, Outtakes [military space station program] Film Number USAF 42108 - SECRET
The BMEWS Mission, Men or the Tor Thule AFB, Greenland, April/May 1966 - SECRET [when the nuclear accident happened?] Film Number USAF 42671
Active Tiger - SECRET Film Number USAF 39479
TIPI-WS/428A - Tactical Intelligence Processing and Interpreting, Langley AFB, VA April 1970 Film Number USAF 48011-A - SECRET
=======================================Any of these films may be requested from:
Freedom of Information Act Director telephone: (703) 697-1160 Directorate for Freedom of Information 1155 Defense Pentagon Washington, D.C. 20301
William G. Lewis, Archivist Motion Picture, Sound and Video Branch National Archives at College Park 8601 Adelphi Road College Park, MD 20740-6001
Interesting DoD Films: Part 17 - Further Miscellaneous Films compiled by Michael Ravnitzky, snipped-for-privacy@ix.netcom.com
Study of British Army Sonic Warfare - SECRET Film Number MF 20-0911
Use of War Dogs - SECRET Film Number FB-091
Armor for the Inner Man - DECLASSIFIED [tests of soldiers [and cats] on LSD] Film Number CRDL 460
Resuscitation of Nerve Agent Casualties Film Number CRDL 653
Space Technology for the U.S. Army Part 2 Film Number TF 44-3395 - CONFIDENTIAL
Demilitarization of Bilogical Agents, Toxins and Munitions, Pine Bluffs Arsenal Film Number SBF-73-5 - SECRET
The Silent Picket - SECRET Film Number MF-32-5275
Stockpile to Target - SECRET Film Number 8116
The Atomic Bomb - General Description - SECRET Film Number MF-8141
The Defeat of Nonconventional Armor - SECRET Film Number PA-207
Gravel Anti-Personnel Mine - SECRET PAP-32009X
Atomic Demolitions, P. 1-T-46EZ Demolition Firing Device Film Number TF-5-2677 - SECRET
Atomic Demolitions, P. 2-W-7 Atomic Demolition Munition Film Number TF 5-2678 - SECRET
Atomic Demolitions - SECRET Film Number TF-5-2679, TF-5-2680, and TF-5-2681
Aviation Aerial Surveillance Company Film Number TF 46-8340 - CONFIDENTIAL
U.S. Army Edgewood Arsenal Technical Film Report [chemical weapons and defense development] Film Number CRDL 420
Ronald Haeberie Interview on the Today Show Concerning the Mylar Incident?? Film Number MPF-179
CBS Wednesday - Fragging Story - Vietnam Film Number MPF-181
First Tuesday in June: America*s Nerve Gas Arsenal Film Number MPF-185
First Tuesday - Chemical Biological Radiological Film Number MPF-192
Vietcong - Mines and Booby Traps Film Number TF 5-3866
Employment of the Safeguard Ballistic Missile Defense System - SECRET Film Number ABM 61
Safeguard Missile System - 24 Jan 1972 - SECRET Film Number ABM 62
Deseret Test Center Progress Report Number 2 Film Number DTCF PR-2 - SECRET
Deseret Test Center Progress Report Number 3 Film Number DTCF PR-3 - SECRET
Deseret Test Center Progress Report Number 4 Film Number DTCF PR-4 - SECRET
Operation Hole Card - SECRET Film Number FFM 352
=======================================Any of these films may be requested from:
Freedom of Information Act Director telephone: (703) 697-1160 Directorate for Freedom of Information 1155 Defense Pentagon Washington, D.C. 20301
William G. Lewis, Archivist Motion Picture, Sound and Video Branch National Archives at College Park 8601 Adelphi Road College Park, MD 20740-6001
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