Battle 360 on the History Channel

Yeah pretty cool. I've got my DVR set up to record it. About time the Big E got some just attention. Too bad the ship isn't a floating museum today. No way to treat the most decorated ship in WW II by turning it into razor blades. Jeez ... they used the U.S.S. Saratoga at the Bikini atom bomb test as well. ( pretty cool to watch though ) Really sad fate for two ships that made it all the way through the war in the Pacific.

God bless the men who served on those ships.

Chris

more respect to the sara, i think. at least she died a warrior's death. kill me for research, not consumers.

Any idea when people started to realize that they had destroyed so much military history? I've read before that people wanted to forget the war and were not too interested in saving B-17's, etc. When did the "we gotta save this stuff" period start?

Craig

snipped-for-privacy@earthlink.net wrote: : : Any idea when people started to realize that they had destroyed so : much military history? : "Started"? I am not sure that people realize what has been destroyed already, in the name of "progress".

Very recent example - Toshiba seems ready to call it quits over HD-DVD, so soon people will be wondering what to do with those expensive HD-DVD coasters they purchased. Just like 20 years ago, people wondered what to do with the Beta-Max video tape they bought. Anybody still watch laser disks? I understand that the only way to get the "right" copy of Star Wars: A New Hope is to buy the pirate DVD from the LD...

So, considering the scrap drives of WWII that trashed WWI artifacts, of Korea that trashed WWII artifacts, etc., and the demolition of historic buildings/places that happens most every day, I don't think people have "started" to realize what is being lost. Unfortunately.

Bruce

first real efforts were actually started before the war ended. there were people aware of the importance of that conflict early on. the systematic efforts depended on the country. some started early, some late. we were in the middle of the herd, majort efforts about mid 50's. serious efforts about

61-62. this is only based on my reading and research, other historians will disagree and say it started between the wars. well, yeah, but... a lot of interwar started efforts were lost or ruined in ww2. germany started late, officially. but a lot of stuff was saved by military people. they blew it on aircraft...

Lots of collectors. The discs are still fine and well taken care of, should last for years, ditto with the equipment. And as you note, the LD's often feature definitive versions of the movies still not available in DVD.

IIRC, Lucas recently thru in the towel and announced the original versions would be released on DVD. Rips of the LDs have been on p2p for several years now.

WmB

There was an effort to place the Enterprise in a memorial/museum ... but apparently there was not enough money raised for the project. ( Jeez the U.S. Navy, or Congress should have found a place for the ship... and made funds available ). She wasn't scrapped until 1958.

Look how difficult even in modern times it is to find a home for a historic war ship. San Francisco turned it's nose up to the U.S.S. Iowa.

But ... it's the Gay Bay. What would anyone expect ?

It's really a shame though.

Chris

snipped-for-privacy@earthlink.net said the following on 18/02/2008 01:57:

So long as it's not the over-used Matrix/CSI bullet-time/time-jump effect that seems to be everywhere. God I hate that!

It's the eye-candy for the post-MTV ADD generation and is as bad as barn-dooring or screen-division that makes the whole thing end up looking like a Bloomberg screen.

You know a production company is reaching for something, anything when you can't make out the story for the over-use of effects.

How many cars have you sold for peanuts and wished you kept them? I sold a 1957 Ford Fairlane 500 convertible to my brother in 1975 for $150. I can buy one now for about $50,000.

I sold my 1971 Pinto with no brakes for $200. Don't really want to buy it again... :-)

Craig

I would buy a 1970 Maverick again. My wife took it in the divorce. I kept the 68 Lincoln.

I sold my trashed 1969 Dodge Charger for $100.00 to someone around 1980 who thought he was getting a great deal. He wasn't. It was costing around $100.00 a month in repairs alone. The last I saw of it was a couple of years later driving slowly around belching oily exhaust with "GETTO MOBILE"* spray-painted on the side. I imagine it just got tossed after that or was used for parts. As was pointed out by many collectors of muscle cars, Chargers tended to be as worn out as teenager's tennis shoes by the time they got their hands on them.

*This is how white farm boys spell "Ghetto". They also suffer under the delusion that they are cowboys, not farmers. The sight of one of them trying to ride "The Bucking Tractor" at a bar is a truly pathetic one. :-)

Pat

Hot Rod Lincoln. Great song!

Craig

Only by the author, Charlie Ryan. Johnnie Bond was so-so and Commander Cory and his airmen left me cold.

CCBlack wrote: : : There was an effort to place the Enterprise in a memorial/museum ... : but apparently there was not enough money raised for the project. : Wasn't Halsey behind a couple of those drives? : : ( Jeez the U.S. Navy, or Congress should have found a place for the : ship... and made funds available ). She wasn't scrapped until 1958. : As I understand it, the Navy wanted to re-use the name, so they were not very accomodating about "being reasonable" to any fund raising effort time lines. : : Look how difficult even in modern times it is to find a home for a : historic war ship. San Francisco turned it's nose up to the U.S.S. : Iowa. : : But ... it's the Gay Bay. What would anyone expect ? : It is also a very expensive proposition, with many nautical themed museums having failed in the recent past. The Iowa's were also extensively modified by the Ray-gun's desire to have a 600 ship Navy, and returning her to even Vietnam configuration was beyond what a museum could reasonably do.

However, as the Intrepid demonstrated, leaving a hull in the water causes silting problems, which the Alabama and Texas are all too familiar with.

The folks I talked to at the Battleship Texas Museum want to fill in the pond she is resting in (note: NOT floating in!) and put the Texas on a concrete platform. This arrangment works well for the USS Kidd, more or less, since she spends about 1/2 of her time on concrete blocks as the water level in the Mississippi drop from the spring levels to the summer lows. Of course, the water flow also keeps the silting issue down. But, of the naval memorials I have been to, the USS Kidd is by far the best preserved and restored vessel I have seen, of the Alabama, Texas and Kidd (plus the sub next to the 'bama).

Bruce

WmB wrote: : : IIRC, Lucas recently thru in the towel and announced the original versions : would be released on DVD. : He did? About time, asshole! Where did he "miracously discover" some pristine footage that he hadn't butchered? The aforementioned LD? After all, his arguement was that "there was no original footage left", which made as much sense as his "DVD is not 'good' enough, but I can always release another butchered edition on VHS!" : : Rips of the LDs have been on p2p for several years now. : Ohhh, don't say that! The MPAA will send you a piracy letter!

Bruce

Ooh, another Maverick fan. I had one for 11 years and got talked into getting rid of it when it had a transmission problem. I did and the replacement really wasn't as good. About the only time I had to worry about exceeding 55 mph was when going downhill but I did get nailed for 37 in a 25 zone.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

Mine was Red, and I put the black split anti-glare panels on the hood, across the roof, and on the trunk lid, and the Mustang 350 white stripes along the bottom of the sides. On the trunk flair, I had written "Mach

1/2". I wish I had some pictures of it, but the ex kept those too. I knew a guy that put a 350 V8 in his.