Re: Gregory "Pappy" Boyington In The News (Slightly off-topic-ish)

A quick search of the UW website netted Jill's email. Why don't we all email her and enlighten her! snipped-for-privacy@u.washington.edu

Hub

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Hub & Diane Plott III
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A quick search of the UW website netted Jill's email. Why don't we all email her and enlighten her! snipped-for-privacy@u.washington.edu

Hub

> > Boyington is the topic of discussion, as reported in > today's (Wed. 15 Feb.) edition of "Neal'z Nuze": >
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> ............................... > > > HE FOUGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY ... BUT HE'S NOT WORTHY. > > > His name was Gregory Boyington. Some called him "Pappy." > He served as a combat pilot in World War II with the > 1st Squadron, American Volunteer Group. This squadron > was known as the Flying Tigers of China. Boyington later > served as a combat pilot for the U.S. Marine Corps. He > commanded Marine Fighting Squadron 214. Perhaps you've > heard of this squadron. It was called the Black Sheep > Squadron and was later featured in a TV series called > "Baa Baa, Black Sheep." Boyington shot down 26 Japanese > aircraft while serving in the Pacific. He was later shot > down and spent 20 months in a Japanese POW camp. For > those of you who aren't up to par on World War II history, > Japanese POW camps were not happy places. Torture ...and > we mean real torture, not stripping them naked and taking > snapshots. After the war Pappy Boyington was awarded the > Navy Cross and the Medal of Honor. He died in 1988. You > can visit his grave in Arlington National Cemetery. > > > Education? Oh yes! Almost forgot! Pappy Boyington was a > graduate of the University of Washington. Just recently > the idea of erecting a memorial to this Medal of Honor > winner at the University of Washington made its way to the > student senate. Here you have an alumnus who served in > World War II. was captured and held, and was later awarded > the Medal of Honor and the Navy Cross. Perhaps some sort > of monument would be a good idea! > > > Well .. not to Jill Edwards. Thanks to the folks at > WorldNetDaily we can show you a copy of the minutes of a > meeting of the student senate at the University of > Washington. Under old business there was a discussion of > a resolution calling for a tribute to Pappy Boyington. > Student senate member Jill Edwards immediately moved to > table the resolution. She wanted other issues to be > considered. Another member said that the issue was at the > top of the agenda and should be dealt with. Jill's > motion failed, but she wasn't through. There was then > some discussion on why Andrew Everett, another student > senate member, wanted the memorial. Everett responded > that Colonel Boyington "had many of the qualities the > University of Washington hoped to produce in its students." > Well, I guess that might be true, if leadership and > courage are considered to be good qualities. Anyway > ... that's when Jill Edwards spoke up and showed her true > colors. She questioned whether it was appropriate to > honor a person who killed other people. Then the lovely > Jill Edwards said that a member of the Marine Corps was > not an example of the sort of person the University of > Washington wanted to produce. > > > Shall I repeat that? Jill Edwards, a Junior in > Mathematics at the University of Washington, says that a > U.S. Marine is not --- that's right, NOT the example of > the sort of person that the University of Washington wants > to produce. Let's let this sink in. To all of you men > and women out there who have served with pride in the > United States Marine Corps; to those of you who fought in > World War II, Korea, Vietnam and the Middle East, Jill > Edwards, student senate member at the University of > Washington, thinks that you are unworthy to be graduates > of the University of Washington. My father was a Marine. > He's buried in the National Cemetery at Ft. Sam Houston in > San Antonio, Texas beneath a grave market that reads > "Neal A Boortz, Sr. Lt. Col. USMC. World War II, Korea, > Vietnam." Therefore, I think that Jill Edwards is an > ignorant fool. I would submit that Jill Edwards is am > embarrassment to the University of Washington. With her > mathematics degree and her leftist outlook on life my > guess is that she'll end up being a teacher in a > government school. Oh goody. > > > By the way .. there's at least one more moonbat on the > U of W student senate. Her name is Ashley Miller. Ashley > says that there are already enough monuments at UW > commemorating "rich white men." Well .. I guess you have > to get that wealth-envy stuff in there somewhere. > > > Don't you just love these young people? They're so much > fun to watch during those magic years when they know > everything and when they have all of the answers to every > problem facing mankind. As I said the other day, we should > take 100 volunteer members of university student senates > from across the country --- and let's make sure Jill > Edwards is one of them --- and give them a country to run > for four years. Haiti would do just fine. > > ............................. > > WorldNetDaily link: > >
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> > > -- > > Greg Heilers > Registered Linux user #328317 - SlackWare 10.2 (2.6.13) > AUS > ..... > > > He gets it from your side of the family, you know. No monsters on my > side. > > -- Homer Simpson > Treehouse of Horror II >
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Hub & Diane Plott III

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Unfortunately, there are a lot of nit wits like this showing up in schools around the country, and they get lots of encouragement from the left wing faculty. The communists/socialists figured that infiltrating the schools was the best way to cause damage. Old Senator McCarthy wasn't completely wrong, and E.R. Murrow wasn't any hero, despite what Hollywierd's current idol, George Cloony thinks.

Bill Shuey

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William H. Shuey

I think that would be a very good idea, my dad was career navy and I'm damn proud of him too! Mike G.

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Mike G.

The resolution to erect a monument to Boyington died after the initial vote was tied at 45-45 with 10 abstentions. The tie-breaking vote was cast 'nay' by the senate chair, if I recall from having read the minutes.

This was not Jill Edwards or Ashley Miller deciding the project, and by looking at the minutes, it seems that they debated it for over an hour. I don't think it was taken lightly, but they decided against it.

The question I have is simple: is dissent in a democratic process not allowed?

Is it the correct thing for this group to badger a 20 year old kid about it? So they decided to not erect a monument on their campus. It's THEIR campus, and it's a beautiful one by the way. Did you know there are 62 trees on Memorial Drive? One planted for each UW alum who died in WWI. There are plaques, statues, and monuments all over the campus; one more or less isn't something to get all worked up about. Email bombing the senators is petty and childish.

--- Tontoni

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Stephen Tontoni

The so-called "democratic process" is not at issue here. Rather, it is their apparent overt disdain for members of the USMC, and other members of the armed forces.

And how is the "THEIR" campus? These students are just temporary occupants of classroom seats. Do these students pay 100% of their own tuition and expenses? Or is some of their bill being footed by the taxpayers by scholarships, grants, etc.? If so, it is even LESS, "THEIR" campus. If anyone "owns" the campus...it is the taxpayers, or those wealthy individuals/corporations who fork over their *own* money to keep the university running. These students don't *own* the campus, or the university....any more than our elected officials *own* our government. Even less so, since as students...they are to be considered immature, and not-fully-learned yet...i.e. not yet adults.

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Greg Heilers

Of course it's about the democratic process, and your apparent disdain for it. You're offended that they have other priorities than yours so you came here to get people to harass some college kids. Oh c'mon.

Again, harassing them is petty and childish. Somewhere in the cobwebs of my head, I'm wondering about the legality of email-bombing campaigns.

--- Tontoni

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Stephen Tontoni

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Hub & Diane Plott III

Appears you seriously can't comprehend the reason for the umbrage taken at Jill's remarks. I think most people can see that the discussion is not just about another tree, plaque, statue, or monument "all over the campus".

Gene K

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Gene K

Seems too much is being made of this. Pappy was without question a war hero by any definition, but his personal life is not one which you would honor as a roll model for our youth: Alcoholism, disdain if not contempt for authority, petty crimes, womanizing, depression, violent disposition. Remember, "Black Sheep" was not just a colorful nickname, but had a basis in reputation if not fact. As I understand it, even some of his fellow veterans who served with or under him, harbored ill feelings for him for some of his actions.

In any event, being a Marine and war hero should definitely qualify him for such an honor. His personal life, unfortunately, is a hindrance to such honor. Hence the debate.

Kaliste Saloom (#30703) IPMS/Acadiana Plastic Modelers Lafayette, LA USA

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Kaliste Saloom

Lots of war heroes, from many different wars, were not angels, by any means. Most of their shortcomings just don't make it out.

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frank

---snippage-- Those who disagree should contact her and others at UW to

I'm glad that that you see things this way; education rather than harassment (which is the goal I got from earlier posts) is fine.

If I may suggest, contact the 10 abstentions if you want to see the vote reversed in the next iteration. Even better, the other 43 who voted against the project.

The two women who were most vocal about their opposition to the project are the least likely to change their minds about it. But they are only two votes.

RESPECTFULLY educate the other 43 who were against it as well as the 10 who abstained; the 10 will probably be the easiest to sway.

Just my two cents.

--- Tontoni

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Stephen Tontoni

Consider those remarks in RMS taking offense at what has been said about Boyington by some of these students, as dissent in the spirit of the democratic process. Ever wonder why they make these meetings public?

Only if it is correct for a 20 year old kid to denegrate the service of a man that fought for his country, including a stint in a POW camp. Bear in mind, if the Japanese had gotten very far with their Aleutian campaign, Washington would have been the first of the 48 contiguous that would have rumbled under their boots and tank treads.

And...

... those WWI trees, plaques and monuments would have been the first thing they bulldozed to make way for Banzai trees, Cherry blossoms and temples to the Emperor.

Imagine your name is Boyington.

WmB

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WmB

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Hub & Diane Plott III

Sounds good to me.

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Bill Woodier

Stephen Tontoni wrote in news:tontoni- snipped-for-privacy@comcast.dca.giganews.com:

There is dissent and then there is brain dead, narcissistic willful ignorance.

Those that will not honor those who fought and died to keep thier freedom, don't deserve it.

Frank

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Mustapha, P

Looks like Fox News has an upcoming spot on the story. I bet the Colonel gets his memorial.

WmB

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WmB

I disagree - it's not THEIR campus - they are temporary residents at a University. The University leaving these kinds of decisions to a student body of unexperienced young twits is the real problem here. It would be interesting to see what would happen if next year at donation time all those who did believe in what we did in WW II decided not to give. There's the real ownership - those who donate to keep the place going - which probably also includes many government agencies we support with tax dollars. If you're unhappy - get the word to the alumni and politicians involved.

So they decided to not erect a monument on their campus. It's THEIR

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Val Kraut

I agree with that. As much as they might want to think so, it is not their campus. Students at a university pay money in exchange for the opportunity to learn. Their tuition money gives them no ownership rights of property or buildings.

I have no idea what sort of people donate to that particular university but I also think you are on to something regarding contacting donors and the local/state politicians. Freedom of speech works both ways.

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Bill Woodier

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