I know that when Wm Bros kits are mentioned, people get bit
I had the B-10 probably back in 1975. Never came close to finishing
Can y'all refresh our memory on just what is wrong with their stuff?
I never heard really bad things about their kits; they weren't Revell
or Monogram standard, but they were supposed to be a lot better to no
worse than most "garage" injection molded ones.
Here's the latest news on the company:
can still remember when they issued the B-10 model.
Here's a review of building one:
one of their P-35 in 1/32 scale:
article goes into some of the kit's shortcomings in detail, but he
sure did a beautiful job on it.
Did you see all the rivets he put on it?!
They required a little extra work to bring them up to speed? It almost
seems as if they aren't quite finished when they release a kit.
I built the C-46, which is a curious mixture. Good basic shape, crisp
molding (mostly), smooth surfaces, good decals. The prop hubs are too long.
In fact the instructions tell you to trim them. Odd. The clear parts and
cowlings are fiddly. But at the end I had a great looking C-46, and I'm
going to build at least one more. The first is in the Travis AFB museum,
BTW. I also built the Boeing 247 for the museum and similar comments apply.
Never tackled the B-10; not much interest. I built the Gee Bee R many years
ago. Don't remember much except that it went together well. They were
supposed to do one of the Lockheed singles. Hope they follow through.
The point is, they tackle subjects that no one else will. They may require a
few more finishing skills but no major reworking of parts. Much better than
some of the garage industry injection kits.
The Williams B-10 might seem to be an "emotional" subject - but not
to those of us who have haunted this newsgroup for
the last 10-12 years. It has to do with the on-going saga of "Dan"
and his pet Mon-key...... a truly hilarious scenario which
went on for years. Call it an "ancient in-joke".
The "Mon-Key" had a thirst for Banana Brew, rode a trike, and
generally indulged in behavior that would leave you blushing.
Somewhere along the line Dan attempted to build the B-10 and ended up
throwing it against the wall, then stomping on it.
It was all in fun, of course. But that incident led to many other
threads - and became part of the RMS folklore....and that
is where the B-10 became synonymous with an unbuildable project.
Sadly, Dan disappeared and now we only hear about the mon-key once in
a blue moon. (Although the Mon-Key has been
known to do an occasional "guest appearance" on another site:
"Aircraft Resource Center".) Watch for him around April
Now that I have started visiting the group again, I notice that there
are very few of the "Old Folks" still posting. Back in the
heyday of RMS there were up to 300 postings per day. Lots of good
modeling info - many memorable trolls - and some
truly great topics such as the thread on the Flying Wing and its
subsequent developement and deployment in Taiwan, the
Vietnam escapade, duty with the RCAF, etc. etc. There were really
some creative, funny, whimmsical people that used to
hang around here.
Names like "Mad Matt", "The Old Sarge". Marv Howell and "Oxmoron" all
come to mind. I see in today's postings that
another one of our "Old Timers" is leaving the fold.......he will be
missed and the group will be diminished - but there will
always be others - and that's what makes RMS so special. With or
without the Mon-Key or the B-10 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
They were close to Monogram and Revell. Not a Tamiya or Hasagawa, but
certainly better than some of the stuff we get from Eastern Europe
these days. Another legitimate criticism is that they continued odd
scales long after other US firms. They did some really unique "golden
Also, they were almost unique in their "aircraft engine" line. These
were among their topmost quality. Their air-cooled radials are
jewels. I sure hope they keep making those. I have not built the CW
Whirlwind yet, but would like to.
From what I've read, the descriptions sound closer to Lindberg, or
I'd forgotten all about those. They always did look like a neat idea.
Here's another interesting engine model kit, with a tad more horsepower
than a Whirlwind:
FWIW There are vac-u-form clear parts for the B-10 in one of
Falcon's sets, #30 I think. I have seen the kit built, and very
nicely too. It isn't a shake the box and out falls a finished model a-
la-hasegawa but it is buildable. I saw one built as a Netherland's
East Indies aircraft at an IPMS thing some years ago and it was very
Can't speak for their 1:72 line, the only one I tried (and quit in
frustration) was the C-46, but the line of 1:48 civil aircraft kits
were gems with much more plus than minus to them. I just wish that
they would have made more of them, maybe a bunch of Goodyear and
Thompson air racers to go with the Testors and Lindberg kits.
Ummm, the Testors kits ~were~ the Hawk ones via a buyout. The only one
different was the Curtiss R3C-2. Originally when it was first issued
(1946 or '47) it was the R3C-1 ~landplane~. I've been in contact with
the guy that wants to restart the old Hawk line of kits and he informs
me that the Curtiss will be offered as a landplane later this years or
I'm of the school of thought that if the kit gets made by one company,
it stays that forever, no matter who gets the molds in later years. :-)
Long time back, I had some fairly poorly done large scale model racing
planes (1/32? 1/24th?) that had electric motors in them to spin the
props and let then taxi around on the floor.
But I can't remember who made them...Lindberg?
It would be fun to see a complete list of all the Lindberg jet aircraft
models, because they had a lot of them.
I always remember the little Lindberg double aircraft kits
and their damned "you build it!" electric motors.
I visited the WB web site, and found a contact link. I wrote about my
desire to see the engines back in production. I got a nice reply. The
PW Wasp and the LeRhone are just about ready for release. They are
working on the CW engine. They found some mold damage, and also found
the fit of the intake manifold was not that good. They are correcting
this. It will be out later than the others, but is indeed on the way.
That, and their damned "you build it!" electric motors.
Pyro. Maybe Life-Like as well (from Pyro molds). I had the Springfield-
Hall Bulldog (built) and the Pesco Special kits (never started, later
sold). These kits were little better than toys and very poor wing-to-
fuselage relative sizes. The shapes were generally close, but not for
a scale model.
I have no idea who has the molds now. Maybe they're in Tokyo Bay with
the Raiden molds. 8-P
That's the babies alright. They showed up at our local Tempo store
sometime in the late 1970s.
The biggest mistake I ever made was when Aurora dumped around a 150
model kits on our local TSC (Tractor Supply Company) store in the late
1970s for around $1.00 - $2.00 each. I could have been knee deep in
T-37s, Buckeyes, Hiller X-18s, 2001 Moon Buses, Gotha Bombers, and all
sorts of other goodies.
God knows what those would all be worth nowadays.