WW II Jeep color

Are my eyes playing tricks, or did Jeeps during WW II usually carry a
grayer, paler version of the Army's OD?
And whatever the answer . . . what paint(s) do you prefer to achieve the
right look?
This is 1/24, by the way.
Thanks up front,
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Charles Fox
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The olive drab of today is darker than that of WWII vintage. The WWII color corresponds to FS595a #34087 or #14084. Of course, once applied it aged at varying rates so that no two vehicles were the same color. Paint it whatever color looks right to you. hth The Keeper
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The Keeper
I like that "whatever color looks right to you." Thanks, Keeper!
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Charles Fox
The OD paint for US Army tactical vehicles in WWII were enamels named "Lusterless Olive Drab" or "Lusterless Olive Drab, #319", both the same color. Lusterless does not mean "flat" - the actual finish was a dull semi-gloss. The QMC and ORD standards required that this color of paint was to be used for all tactical vehicles, and it was used across multiple manufacturers, i.e. the LOD on a Dodge WC was supposed to be the same LOD as used on a Ford or Willys jeep or an IHC halftrack. Regardless of where it was made, the WWII LOD was supposed to be mixed to the same chemical proportions by the manufacturers, and government inspectors checked on it.
There are no equivalent modern colors. FS34087, though often cited as the same OD as used in WWII, is in fact incorrect. It's close to but not exactly the same as the WWII LOD. I've looked at several unrestored WWII vehicles in places where the paint was not affected by sunlight or weathering, and the original paint has a very olive cast to it, whereas FS34087 is more brown in hue. In fact FS34087 has itself changed several times - if you look at paint samples from different batches and eras of FS595 standards, you will see differences in color. I've talked to a scientist from the National Institute of Standards who is knowledgeable about paint chemistry and he told me that the GSA paint standards are not rigorous enough, and in fact lead to variations. Unfortunately NIST is not in charge of paint standards.
This is an unending debate, but the fact is that there was a standard WWII olive drab used for US tactical vehicles, and the US Army made manufacturers stick to it. What happened to the color once the vehicles went to the field is a different story.
John Hairell ( snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com)
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guardian6
In an article for Military Modelling Magazine, Steve Zaloga compared current model paints to the actual color card issued during WW2 for No. 9 Olive Drab, and reported that Tamiya OD is closest to the original color. For scale effect, he suggests cutting it with a bit of German Armor Sand. Zaloga reports that the shade for Olive Drab used on vehicles hardly changed at all from WW1 until it was discontinued in 1974, though the alphanumeric designation did. The Air Force had different colors, however, and No. 41 OD and AN619 were not the same color. The FS34087 chip as shown in the FS595a color book is actually a shade matched to the flat OD used on helicopters beginning in 1965 (the chip was changed in the book in 1967--the earlier version was extremely dark, and not so brown). Unfortunately, most model paint companies used this chip for their OD paints, so they're not very useful unless you're painting a Vietnam Heuy. After WW2, the Army began using semigloss paints, which "read" much darker than the lustreless shades, though the same pigments were used. Also, many division commanders in the 1950's and later ordered that OD be mixed with black, simply because they liked the look--"rank hath its privelages." Gerald Owens
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Gerald Owens

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