OT: comp.cad.solidworks Charter changes

It seems to me that this is a repeat of rec.skiing.alpine, where a moderated group was created in order to exclude one poster.

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Brian Mailman
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I wrote exactly what I meant to write. Don't tell me I meant something else.

If you wish to flame pjr, feel free but do not piggyback on my message to do so.

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Adam H. Kerman

look mate all we want is to enjoy our discussion space. ATM this group is full of garbage cross posting. I mean to hell with freedom of speech for the unwashed if those folks who are genuinely interested in SW cant exercise their right to hear on topic stuff untrammelled. the intrusive stuff has all but driven this formerly thriving and valuable group to extinction. lets get real about this and do something effective rather than babble gums and wring hands if you go to a swimming pool and some jerk is jumping in all over people esp. kids and old folks do you just stand there and tell yourself that's ok because hey they paid to get in too? come on man its time for a change in the house rules when it comes down to it expressing your personal opinion about it is mostly irrelevant anyway cos you aren't one of those directly affected.

Neil

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neil

I think if you look at the dates on many of the agree posts you will find they pre-date the blog posting.

TOP who has changed his email once again because somebody bought his ISP's domain.

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TOP

Well! There it is.

Reply to
That70sTick

By cross posting to news.groups I was merely attempting to help save Paul (and Co.) from putting a lot of work into something which will quite likely result in a colossal failure.

[thread drift] But engineers rarely listen to machinists although us (tinu) well seasoned but not as well edumacated machinists earn a living saving engineers bacon on a rather frequent basis in manufacturing facilities where their ideas are turned into reality. Why would it be any different on USENET?

No thanks needed, it's just business as usual. :)

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Black Dragon

This is mostly a non issue Paul.

Most news servers worth using, both commercial and free, allow NNTP connections on port 80, the port normally reserved for HTTP. The admins of those servers do this to help their customers with this EXACT issue.

As for installing news reading software. There is software available which doesn't need to be installed which has the added plus of being able to be used from flash/usb devices. Xnews is such software. There are other titles. news.software.readers is the place to look.

I'm aware that doesn't help with many corporate policies about using "unauthorized" software. I've worked for such companies and have never had a problem getting software needed to do the job installed. YMMV.

Please do be forewarned about the Google Grouper lynch mob in nsr, suggest take a fire suit with you just in case...

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Black Dragon

I missed this in my last post. Is yet another mostly non-issue.

There are a number of news servers available which offer text groups only.

For example, Gary Burnore offers such a service.

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Black Dragon

You're an Outlook Express user. Why aren't you filtering?

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Adam H. Kerman

It's about the same thing. Somebody has to request creation of the group on the News server he uses either way and keep after his News administrator to make sure it gets created as moderated. This isn't logical if only the Google Groups users are the ones who want the moderated group, so what user of another server would request creation of the group?

Not to mention that one of you who wants moderation really has to understand the technical aspects of it.

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Adam H. Kerman

I didn't suggest setting up a News server, but even if I did, why would it be necessary for corporate to create binary newsgroups just to create groups needed for user support?

Is outbound ssh blocked? If it is, I'd love to know the security issue, but that's the most straightforward way of accomodating a Usenet user, letting him access his own account remotely.

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Adam H. Kerman

re: Google Groups

I use Google Groups because it is convenient for me. No setup; portable; doesn't clutter my HD; don't have to bug IT to get server addresses, etc. to view at work. Filtering would be niiiiiice.

I've lived without filtering. I've learned to ignore JB et al. I wish others were more diligent about that, but I see it is just against the nature of most people to do so. Too bad.

I figured out Usenet's "anarchist" anti-censorship bent a long time ago. That's what Usenet is "about". What you see here with JB is just the inevitable end result. Usenet has become more about "total freedom" than quality exchange of ideas. That's just how it is, I've learned to live with it. It's their ("Big 8's") baby, and I respect that.

p.s. does anyone have a link to that Youtube video of JB playing air guitar? That was HILARIOUS!

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That70sTick

"That70sTick" a écrit dans le message de news: snipped-for-privacy@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

Finaly JB is the Osama of CCSW... I will surely not dl a video of this guy.

Reply to
Jean Marc

On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:17:35 -0700 (PDT), That70sTick wrote in :

Usenet (or USENET or the USENET or ...) is bigger than the Big-8. Numerically speaking, the Big-8 is a tiny percentage of the number of existing or potentially existing newsgroups carried via NNTP.

comp.cad.solidworks is part of the Big-8 and the Big-8 is part of Usenet, so, in that sense, c.c.s is "our baby." But because of the nature of the beast (which is determined by the nature of the protocols under which Usenet operates), the stuff that goes on in an unmoderated newsgroup is not under the control of the Big-8.

Just about the only power we have is to put newsgroup names on or take them off of our official list. What news service providers do with that list is up to each of them individually.

Usenet is a very strange and (often enough) wonderful world.

Marty

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Martin X. Moleski, SJ

Marty:

Just noticed the "SJ". Jesuit? If so, thanks for the education (Marquette '94).

Reply to
That70sTick

On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:01:42 -0700 (PDT), That70sTick wrote in :

Yes.

We thank you for your tuition payments and GENEROUS alumni giving. :o)

Marty

Reply to
Martin X. Moleski, SJ

I was wrong. I read about 300 messages, because the other 700 were older than a week and thus were deleted by my standard filters.

Skimming the older posts, I do see more off-topic material than in the recent posts, but still not an alarming amount.

Reply to
Peter J Ross

The proposal in that case was (a) for an alternative moderated group, not for moderation in place and (b) a troll.

Moreover, Scott Abrahams and Bert Hoff were two posters, not one, and the problems they caused were much nastier than anything CCSD is reported to have suffered so far.

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Peter J Ross

Understood. You may have a case for creating a moderated group. You may even have a case for moderation in place, but it's people like Mr Lee and Fr Moleski who need to be persuaded of that, since they're members of the "B8MB" and I'm not.

So far they seem not to be persuaded at all.

*Please* don't top-post.
Reply to
Peter J Ross

Father Martin X Moleski SJ is co-chairman of the Big-8 Management Board. He's one of the nine people who are entitled to decide whether your proposal results in an "official" change to your Big-8 newsgroup or not.

You can be as rude to me and most of the other people who have offered suggestions as you like, but there's precedent for accepting a (very bad) proposal (much worse than yours) on the grounds that the proponents were polite to Fr Moleski and his colleagues during the discussion. You may be more likely to have your proposal accepted if you're aware of whose boots you're expected to lick. I don't like this system, but it's the way things seem to be at present.

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Peter J Ross

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