One gauge is about twice the size as O gauge. It is a gauge that basically
went out of style back in the '30s or so due to how big it was.
The Daylight train on the SP started out in the '20s and used heavyweight
cars so an obsrvation with a rear platform was around. The color of the
train was the typical dark green color at that time. The bright colors came
about with the advent of the lightweight streamliner cars which never had an
open observation on the tail. I do believe that a smoothsided car was built
as a business car that carried the later silver with a red stripe above the
windows which was the Daylight scheme at the time.
The red/orange/black scheme really didn't last all that long and was more
for just that one train than anything else. Other named trains of the SP
also had their own special scheme that was different than the Daylight
scheme.
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Why isn't there an Ozone Hole at the NORTH Pole?
I believe you are essentially correct, and that would mean the scale isn't
really out of style. However, I have always been confused by the scale and
gauge used to identify this type of locomotive. Suffice it to say that I
don't live in a climate that is conducive to garden railroading, and I don't
have room for it inside! ;-)
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:27:42 -0400, "Lt. Kizhe Catson"
Gauge 1 is 10mm:ft or 3/8":ft scale running on 45mm track. G scale
runs on the same gauge of track but usually has models of narrow gauge
prototypes, so the scale can vary quite a bit.
Jim.
Thanks. That was the first time I had ever heard of that scale. Popular with
the British I'm sure.
If you can find a picture of that observation car in any of the SP colors I
would be grateful
Tim
No. First the series starts with zero = "O" gauge, and the Romans had no
zero. Second, the authority on old toys, Louis Hertz, says the old gauges
were designated by Arabic numbers 0, 1, 2, etc., not Roman. Gary Q
You're reading the wrong authority!
At the Leipzig fair in 1891, Maerklin introduced the first standardized
gauges, those being 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 or I, II, III, IV and V.
(Maerklin have designated them in Roman and Aribic characters at different
times)
From memory, it was at the Leipzig fair of 1900 that they added gauge 0, which
as you say had no Roman character designation.
That places "0" as the _sixth_ standardised gauge, not the first.
Regards,
Greg.P.
True, but for some reason the roman I for Gauge 1 has been used off and
on in the UK. Perhaps because Gauge zero (0) was seen as Gauge O?
Also, while Hertz was very good on US history of toy/model tains, he was
shaky on European history, except insofar as it affected the US hobby. A
better (but still not 100% reliable) source on early toy and model
trains in the UK and Europe was Henry Greenly (who also advised would-be
modellers to round off the millimeter -> foot conversions, so that 4mm
scale on 16.5 mm gauge is due largely to him.) This habit continues,
hence the 10mm = 1ft scale for Gauge I/1. In some cases, this habit has
prompted an exact scale, such as 16mm = 1ft for two foot narrow gauge
modelled on O gauge track. I've yet to find a good European source - on
the Continent, toy/model train books seem to be written by journalists
with at best a spectator's interest in the hobby -- their efforts are
merely expanded Sunday Supplement articles, with lots of pretty
pictures, and lots of errors and misleading claims, often coupled with
thinly disguised puff for certain manufacturers.
Keith Wills' articles in RMC are very good IMO - Wills doesn't shy from
admitting ignorance or uncertainty, and occasionally does follow-ups
based on information received from his readers.
No. 1 gauge, or at least the size track it runs on, is very popular in
the USA. Pick up a copy of "Garden Railways" and check it out. I think
it as passed O gauge in popularity.
After 4/18/1930, the heavyweight Daylight was painted in light "pearl" gray
with darker gray lettering. Richard Wright's Daylight book indicates that
the three heavyweight open platform observation cars assigned to the
Daylight ( Nos. 2903-2905) were the first cars to receive the pearl gray
paint scheme.
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See the following photos of various SP open platform business cars in the
silver with red scheme:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/sp/sp-b100ags.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/sp/sp-bus-car.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/sp/sp-b140ags.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/sp/sp-bc150agd.jpg
The Ryan & Shine book on SP Night Trains mentions that, "Some of the last
open platform observation cars [on the SP] were assigned to the "Coaster"
[train #69-70] in 1946 and 1947." These included a Pullman heavyweight 10
sect-obs in late '46, and SP owned smoker-lounge-obs cars 2913-2915 in '47,
apparently just in dark green paint. Gary Q
I will have to see if I can get my hands on that book. I'm hoping to model
SP passenger service between N California to Portland OR. from the mid 40s
to late 50s.
Tim
Tim
Its Gauge 1. That would be 1/32 scale using G gauge track This is the
correct scale when using G gauge track to represent standard gauge. Now for
my own question. Why do some manufactures make 1/29 scale standard gauge
equipment for G gauge track. I'm hoping there is an intelligent or
reasonable explanation for this odd ball scale to be used. Bruce
The marketing reason would appear to be that G gauge modellers will be more
readily tempted by standard gauge models that have a similar cross section to
their narrow gauge models. ie no reasonable explanation!
Regards,
Greg.P.
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