I am getting off the Internet & this is the last you will here from me, it
seems that I got a virus with the way my computers is acting;
PROGRAMS DO NOT WORK OR WORK STRANGE [JUST DID A LONG MESSAGE ON MICROSOFT
WORD THAT WHEN I WENT TO OPEN IT SO TO COPY & PAST IT, IT CAME UP BLANK THEN
MY COMPUTER LOCKED]
WOULD GET A BLUE SCREEN THAT SAYS 'FATAL ERROR'
I will not be on the Internet or call any Usernet newsgroups , I will just
CALLING WEB SITES WITH NO MESSAGING OR WERE I HAVE TO LEAVE MY E-MAIL
I am hoping that they catch whoever is doing this, & also hope that 2004+
does not see;
'WE ARE SORRY, BUT WE ARE CLOSING DOWN THIS SITE DUE TO ALL THESE VIRUSES &
So I am sorry to all I e-mail & all the sites I have posted on, but my
computer is messing up too may times to were every time I am on the Internet
I have to reboot in order to do or finish what I am doing.
SO GOOD-BYE & THANKS TO ALL OF YOU WHO HELPED ME & GAVE ME ADVICE, MAY GOD
BLESS YOU ALL!
Just might be the computer itself and not a virus. The first 3 problems
sounds like not enough RAM to me. How many programs are running in the
background? Updated virus protection? Why not just reformat the computer and
do a clean reinstall of the programs or take it to a trusted computer shop
and talk it over with them.
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 02:54:45 GMT, "SUNNYVALE_PLASTICVALE"
shared this with the world:
And your caps-lock key is stuck.
Seriously, your computer's behavior sounds like what I used to have
happen routinely when I was using Windows95.
Computers can't operate indefinitely without a bit of maintenance
(software, not usually hardware).
Try running your car for 3 or 4 years without changing the
oil/tires/filters and see what happens.
As much as the people who sell computers (and Microsoft) want us to
think computers are maintainence-free, it aint so.
If you don't have the skill/interest in doing it yourself, many
computer shops will clean-up/disinfect your machine for around $50.
Of course, this is more for the benefit of others, since you aren't
here any more.
Great! Another person who has no clue what is really wrong with their
computer so it must be "viruses and hackers". It's amazing how many people
say that because that's the limit of their computer knowledge. It's always
got to be someone else's fault, not theirs
What you described happens to plenty of computers that have never even been
hooked up to the Internet.
What operating software are you using? Win 95, 98, ME. NT, etc? When was
the last time you did routine maintenance to it (scandisk, defrag, etc)?
Have you run the lastest security patches on it? That information could
help alot to determining what the really cause is.
Once again, it's always their fault, not yours.
I really doubt that a "hacker" could care about a little operation like
Here's the test. You say its a virus. What virus did your anitvirus
software tell you that you are infected with? Let me guess, you don't have
antivirus software. Then it's probably a good thing that you're no longer
going to be online.
Reminds me of my old software development days: many not-so-adept
programmers first blamed any problem on the hardware rather than go to the
trouble of debugging their programs. They were almost 100% wrong.
It the original poster raises a valid point: PCs are just too damn
complicated and unreliable (all of 'em: Windows, Mac, Linux, whatever).
Systems like Mac OS X and Windows XP with their multi-tasking, networking,
multi-user design, are more powerful than VAX VMXS was a couple of decades
ago, and we had data centers and professional operators doing backups,
software updates, user management, network configuration et al. Now, Grandma
and Cousin Dave have to deal with almost all of the same issues.
There is no other home appliance which is so knowledge intensive and the
users so knowledge deficient; after all, they are not IT professionals.
Ellison was probably right about the Network Computer, but it's time has
in article email@example.com, Dave at
firstname.lastname@example.org wrote on 11/13/03 5:03 PM:
Then it's probably a good thing that you're no longer going to be online.
How about trying to help the guy out? Many, if not most on this group, use
a computer, they do not work with them. How many of us, with extensive
experience, have fought a bug and had no clue? Flaming does no good for
the group other than providing excruciatingly hillarious lurking
entertainment. We've lost a wealth of MR experience on this group because
users get tired of the flame wars. Where is Fred Dabney? And thanks for
hanging around Bill and Thor and the rest of the folks who can take credit
for helping out a fellow hobbyist.
I thought that was the intent of my post. Help. I been through some of the
same problems he had and it turned out to be software issues. My computer
was just recently freezing up and when I turned off a program, the problem
Ya know, when this "SUNNYVALE_PLASTICVALE" user first showed up he was
yelling (typing in all caps) and people VERY POLITELY tried to help
him out there and suggested to turn the caps lock off, explaining what
the protocol was.
And what happened? This character blew up and started calling
everyone names, basically telling folks to F-off for suggesting he
change anything in his ways.
Obviously that user is a mental case.
Do you really think he wants help with the way he wrote his post? Rambling
on about viruses, hackers, going out of business, and most of it WHILE
SHOUTING AT THE ENTIRE NEWSGROUP?
If he needed help all he had to do was type some sort of message (in lower
case of coarse) stating simply what was heppening and asking for ideas. A
short list detailing his PC stats (OS, RAM, etc) would probably go a long
way towards helping him. But instead he blamed just about everything else
but himself for his computer problems. I'm willing to bet that if there is
any sort of "real" problem then it is a virus. He probably received one of
those "Microsoft Security update" emails that have been floating around the
psat few months and opened it. BAM!! PC goes wacky because it's now
The computer version of the black helicopter crowd.
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Of course, if he HAD Norton Anti Virus (or any other good AV
program...) it would have caught it on the way in.
But as I mentioned elsewhere, there are those who think "It can't
happen to me because I don't give out my e-mail on the Internet".
Little do they realize, it's everywhere just logging onto the
Internet, without the benefit of entering it anywhere. And they
continue to operate without the benefit of AV programs.
I was up against a similar experience last year in that my computer
was getting slower and slower and too many open programs were causing
lockups and blue screens. I had a 466MHz, 256MB-RAM, 8.4GB-HDD
computer running Windows 98SE along with several memory-intensive
programs. The hard drive had over 6 GB of data stored on it and I was
running MS Publisher 2002. Trying to run it and another
memory-intensive program (like a photo editor) usually caused
problems. Sometimes just running the photo editor caused problems!
Finally desided to "bite the bullet" and go with a faster computer,
with more capacity but didn't like anything available on the market
and so chose to build my own. It wasn't THAT difficult, although I did
run into the occasional glitch. I was following an article in a
magazine but upgrading to a higher capability part from time to time
than the one suggested in the article. The challenge was that other
than changing out a RAM module in the old computer, I had no idea how
anything else was assembled or how it all worked. Kinda like
handlaying track for the first time or building a complicated building
model, or for that matter, a layout! I had to do a lot of reading and
It's debatable if I saved any money building it myself but I did learn
a great deal about what all the bits and pieces do and it IS a lot
more capable than the old one was! Funny thing was that over the 6
months I was building it my formerly "high-speed computer"(1.74GHz,
1.3GB-RAM, 60GB-HDD) last September became a "not quite so fast
computer" in January, let alone what's out there now but I don't have
any more problems with programs locking up or running several at once
and the new software requires far more capacity than my old computer
ever thought of needing!
I'm running Windows XP-Pro, MS Office Suite 2002 with MS Publisher
(but not FrontPage) and several others. I figured it would take about
a year to get everything I wanted including the software and I was
just about right.
BTW, last month I bought a laptop that is faster than my desktop
How about trying to help the guy out? Many, if not most on this group,
use a computer, they do not work with them. How many of us, with
extensive experience, have fought a bug and had no clue? Flaming does no
good for the group other than providing excruciatingly hillarious
lurking entertainment. =A0 We've lost a wealth of MR experience on this
group because users get tired of the flame wars. Where is Fred Dabney?
And thanks for hanging around Bill and Thor and the rest of the folks
who can take credit for helping out a fellow hobbyist.
I agree with you, bg.
Thank you, bg! Made my day a pleasant one!
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N Scale Model Railroad:
I'm still happy with my home-built dual processor 700MHz
all-SCSI machine with 768MB of RAM - a fast disk system
and plenty of RAM make up for a lot of processors that run
at 1/3 to 1/4 the speed of currently available ones. And
the dual processors help in running programs and com tasks
at the same time.
=>Paul V. Voelker wrote:
=>> my formerly "high-speed computer"(1.74GHz,
=>> 1.3GB-RAM, 60GB-HDD) last September became a "not quite so fast
=>> computer" in January, let alone what's out there now
=>I'm still happy with my home-built dual processor 700MHz
=>all-SCSI machine with 768MB of RAM - a fast disk system
=>and plenty of RAM make up for a lot of processors that run
=>at 1/3 to 1/4 the speed of currently available ones. And
=>the dual processors help in running programs and com tasks
=>at the same time.
Any machine running Win2000/XP is running slower than it needs to, on account
of those bloated an inefficient operating systems.
But that's the price we pay for providing preodcut for the
[ Snip ]
Back in Win95 days I wrote a little DOS program that just ran some nested
loops. The output was the time it took to run the loops. I ran the
program in a DOS window, then shut down Windows and ran in DOS. The
program ran about 8 times faster in DOS.
Just think of the computing power we'd have available today if we didn't
have Windows to bog them down.
There are three ways to do a job: good, cheap, and quick.
You can have any two.
A good, cheap job won't be quick.
A good, quick job won't be cheap.
A cheap, quick job won't be good.
It wasn't a fair test. The Win95 (et al) DOS emulator interfered with
program execution a great deal. You needed to write a Windows native program
and set the loop count to about a million to cover the differences in "get
time" sequences, and you have to make sure you call the OS in both cases to
"get current time." DOS lets you look at the clock directly if you know how.
That said, compute bound loops are not what slows Windows / MacOS, et al
down. It is OS calls to perform services. Also, since the advent of really
cheap memory and fast processors, programmers seem less concerned with
making tight, fast code, even in C or C++. Whatever seems to work is good
When you start, like I did, with a 360/30 with 64KBytes of memory, you learn
to write tighter code and every instruction counts.
But if we were all still using DOS or CPM, computer would still be unusable
by most real people. (they are only marginally usable now, IMO).
in article email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org at
email@example.com wrote on 11/17/03 7:51 AM:
Computers could be even less usable. I was making some CAD drawings
the other day, and my supervisor and I were talking about Star Trek. We
came to the conclusion that CAD using the Star Trek voice commands to do
CAD would be awful:
'Computer! Draw a line from the origin to the point (1.500, .093, .093)
relative to the origin...'
Imagine doing that all day!