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May 14, 2004 35 Replies

You've gotten some answers about what you should do and should not do; why some people are rude, etc. There is a culture to Usenet, and an etiquette, called netiquette. In the old days it was pretty easy to find out about what was accepted and what wasn't, and the old timers mostly learned it and follow it. Newcomers frequently run afoul of the conventions and are corrected, sometimes gently and sometimes not.

Take a look at the groups: news.announce.newusers and news.newusers.questions

They should give you some ideas of what is and is not acceptable on newsgroups. There are probably some FAQs on the web somewhere; a search on Usenet should uncover some info on netiquette.

You need a bit of thick skin here. If people are rude and obnoxious to you, chances are they are the same way with everyone else, and everyone else knows it, and before too long they have a reputation. The best response to them is to ignore them, or if you must reply, be polite. Generally they thrive on negativity; just don't feed it. They won't get any better or go away, but they'll be less obvious.

Don't respond to people in anger. Wait a few hours or days. After that time more than likely you'll see that their comment doesn't deserve any response. If you still need to respond after a while, you can generally craft a much more effective flame when you're thinking more clearly.

Welcome to Usenet. The people who are kind and helpful far outnumber those who aren't, but sometimes it takes a while to notice that.

snipped-for-privacy@mtholyoke.edu wrote to Fisty Nickle:

Yes, there was a time that new users typically weren't allowed on Usenet until they had first absorbed the information in the newsgroup, 'news.announce.newusers.' There don't seem to be any restrictions on access anymore, so newbies will run afoul of the culture unless they are

*very* attuned to the subtleties of social interaction.

Sorry about that. I don't recognize the name, so he isn't a regular on rec.models.railroad (RMR, this newsgroup). There are many many folks on usenet, some are more polite than others. It is an open forum, anyone can join in, and say darn near anything. Don't take it too much to heart, and don't let it spoil the enjoyment of chewing the fat with other model railroaders here. There is a long standing policy again posting anything but text to Usenet. Pictures are so large that if we all posted pictures it might overwhelm the computers that feed usenet around the world. Needless to say, when there is a long standing policy there are lots of people out there who enjoy pointing out violations of the policy. Don't let it bug you. By the way, there was some nice modeling in that picture.

David J. Starr

Rules, I did not know there were USenet rules. oh well. As for posting pix, i did not know you could not. oh well. But for being rude to a "newbie" for posting pics when you told him it was ok is uncalled for also. Sending that person a rude e-mail is also uncalled for too. Most people on this board are decent model railroaders w/lots of great advice and friendship. do not let one jerk keep you from this group. jaijef

Thank you. as i have said meany times now i did not know pics were not allowed and am sorry for braking a rule.

Paul

was post the pic i was

"David J. Starr" wrote

Because *you* don't recognize his name , he isn't a "regular"?

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Yes, he is a regular on rec.models.railroad.

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```````` He sure has an odd way of trying to drum up business.

Paul - "The CB&Q Guy" (Modeling 1969 In HO.)

```````` Hmmm. Seems like a no-brainer to have this "vital" information posted at the top of each page to help out the new guys. Otherwise, kwitcherbitchin I say.

Paul - "The CB&Q Guy" (Modeling 1969 in HO.)

There's more to it than you think. Most people don't use a web browser to read these pages -- so there isn't any "top of each page" to put the information.

Because Usenet is a distributed service (postings originated/propagated by thousands of sites rather than a single one), that isn't possible on an unmoderated newsgroup.

There is no "Top of the Page" on usenet newsgroups. Usenet Newsgroups are simply a series of public messages similar to email messages. Most users use a newsreader to get the messages.

or the one selling you Viagara or penis enlargement. Say maybe that

That may explain why he's being such a big dick..

Drew

Not technically feasible as others have pointed out, however if you use google.com and search on "usenet posting" or "usenet rules" you will get over 1 million+ hits.

Anyone that is sophisticated enough to get a newsgroup reader to work can find these rules posted somewhere, and should seek them out unless they think they know all of the rules / guidelines by heart, or simply assume there are none. Hopefully neither of those would apply to anyone in this group. :)

On the other hand we do need to be patient with errors - sure it's an extreme pain to see binaries download, but rudeness should be avoided. It can kill a newsgroup.

Greg

That was sure true once upon a time, but you're forgetting that today we have WebTV.

People don't need a newsgroup reader to read and post to news:rec.models.railroad.

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