Of course your friend would get more points for his entry in an NMRA contest than Terry would. This is because:
A: Terry would never enter a NMRA contest in the first place, as he seems to regard that organisation in the same light as evangelists do the Anti-Christ, and:
B: Terry is not a very good modeller.
Froggy,
Yours would indead be considered "scratch built" since you did all the work yourself. If you had farmed out the machine work on the mold it would be less so. That would make for some interesting discussion by some of the judging teams I have been with.
Howard NMRA lifer and sometimes Judge
It doeesn't matter where you have the machine work done if you supply all the drawings. You cannot be forced to buy multi-thousand dollar tools to do a single scratchbuilding project. Designing a mold and then having it made by a machine shop does not invalidate the fact that you are the engineer and creator of the subject. I reiterate: Scratch-built does not mandate the use of primitive tools and methods.
That's why I said it would make for some interesting discussions amoung the judges.
I would be willing to give very-very close to, if not the, the maximum scratchbulding points for what you have desribed. The others areas would all depende on how well the other areas are executed.
Howard
Using the NMRA definition ("...the builder alone has accomplished all of the necessary layout and fabrication..."), it would not qualify if you had the items made by someone else. It would not be done by "the builder alone."
This discussion is starting to sound like a bunch of second-graders in a playground.
Howard,
I have judged over 2 dozen NMRA regional conventions(and will be judging this W/E again). What 'Froggy' claims is perfectly valid and he would get maximum 'scratch building' points for his effort. Now, the 'workmanship/craftmanship' points would depend on how well those etchings/castings look and fit together. The point system was altered several years ago, and IIRC, points were taken away from 'scratch built' and added to the later catagory. Also, making molds off of existing commercial castings is not considered 'scratchbuilt'. There is a 'balance' between building everything from scratch, and doing a good job in the actual construction.
Jim Bernier
Howard R Garner wrote:
Mark,
If you did the actual layout/drawings that were the source of the code that drives the CNC milling machine - You are the creator. If you wrote a song, published it, and it was performed by another artist - You still get credit for the song(and a piece of money for each CD).
Jim Bernier
Mark Mathu wrote:
I sense yet another thread (or portion thereof) is about to devolve to a pissing match.
Jay Back in action once again
Not from me. I found this an interesting conversation.
Howard
No, I was thinking of two particular individuals. We'll see if it materializes or not. Hopefully not.
Jay Back in action once again
Probably not Jay. The thread seems to have died out.
"I sense yet another thread (or portion thereof) is about to devolve to a pissing match."
That's what we do best.
Eric
I don't think so. This one seems to have died a natural death.
Captain Handbrake
Not necessarily. Some people are slow........to reply.
Have faith, Captain, Mork will reply, it just takes him longer to come up with his witty replies. Sometimes I think he has to go into work and ask his supervisor how to reply, but all the boss says is take that broom and get to the loo..
Why, thank you, moose rooter. Perhaps one day you will come up with a witty reply as well.
Two things to note, moose rooter.
You can see how bad a model built from the etched kit from my drawings is by going to
Of course Mark the expert wont tell us about his layout or etched kit experience.
Mark the expert at lies. The out of context text above is not referring to Terry Flynn. A juvenile response from Mark.
The opinion of a foul mouthed liar who refuses to give any details of his own HO model railway. My standard of modelling is so bad the trophies at home have printed on then 'best model railway' and 'most popular model railway' from when I was part of a team exhibiting an Australian layout called Bylong. Mark the expert makes claims he has exhibited 3 layouts, but refuses to name the layouts, I wonder why.
Wrong. Have a look at the new Waratah Model Railway Company 7mm scale composite-body S wagon kit. It is a mixed-media kit, mainly injection moulded with details in etched, cast and machined brass, and white metal. Talk to Dave Morris, and ask him who designed the kit...
Nah, I'll spare Dave the experience of having to speak to you - I designed it. And it looks better than your effort, I must say.
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