Coaling tower

Bachmann have just announced that they plan to release a 4mm scale model of a concrete coaling tower in their Scenecraft range. It will ostensibly be
based on the prototype still extant at Carnforth and will have an RRP in the £80-90 range.
Demand is expected to be very high for a model which in many respects exemplifies the steam era of British Rail.
John.
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I always assumed that they were products of the 1930's -- our one at Barrow Road (Bristol) was certainly older than me! (née 1938). I don't believe that any other railway or BR region had them (labour being cheap for shovel slaves) so that would make them an LMS feature?
Peter
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On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:13:00 -0800 (PST), Sailor

Out of interest, what was the spread and time range for these things? They are certainly impressive but I don't know if I can use one. Guy
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"Sailor" wrote

They were built from the 1930s onwards, and although of LMS design, similar installations appeared elsewhere. Some of the ex-LMS coal stages were inherited by BR(NER) on re-organisation of some Yorkshire area sheds in the mid-1950s.
They survived until the end of BR mainline steam in 1968.
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GBP80 - wow, nows the time for the TONGUE IN CHEEK comment to say do some real modelling and save that money for loco's !
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"simon" wrote

I don't think that's expensive; I reckon a decent kit for one would cost that.
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A kit ! If I can scratchbuild pit head gear am sure a coaling tower wouldnt be too difficult !
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"John Turner" wrote

I'll qualify that by adding "providing it's something like scale size".
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John Turner wrote:

I'm not at all surprised that a large plastic coaling tower would be priced at 80GBP. It all depends on the level of detail involved, and the number of individual (as distinct from molded on) parts used. That, and the expected sale quantity.
The major cost of any model these days, despite CAD/CAM, is the tooling for the parts. Because motors and gear trains can be used for many different models, the cost of their tooling can be amortised over many more units than the tooling for the shell, so they may actually contribute less to the price of a unit than the shell. The production costs (materials, energy, and labour) are usually a very small fraction of the total. Typically, marketing (warehousing, advertising, distribution) cost a good deal more than production.
Where there is little likely demand, "craft kits" are made (materials a will be some combination of wood, plastic, resin, metal, etc, and both raw stock and custom cut/cast parts.) Such kits can and do cost $150 and up.
cheers, wolf k.
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"Wolf K" wrote

This is not a plastic kit, but a finished (primarily resin) model. I've got photographs (from the manufacturer) and will forward them to anyone who is interested. Email me off group if you wan to see them.
John, 53A Models, Hull.
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Not saying it isnt a fair price for whats on offer - cos have no idea.
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Well the Hornby coaling tower has a RRP of £49 and their models are usually over overpriced compared to Bachmann's.
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"Fred X" wrote

In this instance I think Bachmann's higher price is justified by the apparant higher quality.
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Yes, I do prefer Bachmann's Scenecraft to the Hornby's Skaledale as they tend to be more realistic and not so garish.
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According to 'LNER Sheds in Camera' by John Hooper, the LNER started building them in the late 1920s. Sites included King's Cross, Doncaster, Gorton, March, Neville Hill,New England and Kittybrewster. It seems that they were very keen on mechanical coaling.
According to Hooper in the caption to a picture of the Kings Cross one, "Coaling plants of this type [500t bunker capacity] usually cost around £8,000 to build and the erection was always carried out by a specialist company, with Henry Lees & Co. and Mitchell Conveyors getting the bulk of the contracts from the LNER."
The picture of the Hornby coaling plant in MR 139 bears a remarkable resemblence to one that was at the new shed the LNER built at Darnall (Sheffield) during the early years of the Second World War.
The Hooper book is excellent, by the way, and contains loads of great photos of sheds of all shapes and sizes - some of which would probably make nice models.
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I have had a copy of it on my bookshelf for over 20 years, and had quite forgotten about it. It is indeed a splendid book, thanks for reminding me of it.
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On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:13:00 -0800 (PST), Sailor

They could only be used if the coal was hard enough.
Welsh steam coal would crumble if dropped into the tender from a tower.

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Was there enough Welsh steam coal left to fill a coal tower - excluding that which was being exported - in BR days. Anyway, LMS didnt use such softie stuff, didnt it all go to GWR to give their engines a chance at some pulling power ?
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There was plenty until Thatcher and MacGregor.

Horses for courses. They had access to the best steam coal available and designed locomotives accordingly. So they could do with narrow fireboxes what took wide ones by the other companies. They didn't need a trailing truck with its attendant problems of weight transfer and slipping.

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Interesting suggestion, thought they didnt arrive till steam was finished. Or as Jerry might say, do I detect a little trolling here ?
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