I'm probably going to have to part with foldy stuff, but can anybody
direct me to a source of dimensional drawings of rolling stock. I'm
looking initially for some details on Pullman coaches, but having had a
bit of a scout round, while I can find lots of images and text, nothing
has come up with even some basic dimension.
I'm looking to have a play with scratch building some Gauge 1 chassies
so while the Pullman's would be a nice prototype, anything that is
available would be of interest.
If I decide I need a bit more detail that is a useful link. I'll
probably buy a copy of the catalogue, although an on line shop would be
I was probably hoping for a book reference that some drawings in it -
rather than just pictures - which seems to be the norm.
I think that is my problem. I'm a little surprised at the lack of even
basic material on line :( I can provide links to a large number of sites
that have Traction Engine data and scaled versions, but the same
material is does not appear to be available for rolling stock?
At this stage on-line sources for ANY rolling stock would at least allow
me to go on to the next stage, and decide what to invest some money into
but it looks as if I have to invest money to even do the first stage. I
had only picked 'Pullman' as I thought THAT was the more likely
candidate for at least a book of details? Again I have several sitting
on the shelf here with very fine detail drawings of traction engines and
having paid £100 for a now difficult to find 'Gilbert', I'm not averse
to spending money but even scanning the book lists has not come up with
anything with drawings in :(
My requirements at this stage are simply any outline drawings of coaches
giving outline sizes, and a few details like wheel size from which I can
scale some of the MANY pictures that ARE available on line. My library
contains a large number of ME's with engine details, but rolling stock
to use with them is a little light on the ground.
Just to complete the picture - I have assembled a nice little stock of
45mm track and have a couple of 'plastic' trains to run on it while I'm
building the 'Project' steam engine but between £400 and £800 or so for
ONE carriage to pull round seems a little pricey so I just thought I'd
look for SOMETHING I could build myself :)
It looks like I may have to pop down to Toddington with a tape measure
and camera and 'do my own drawings' ;)
That seems to be a problem with model railways drawings. However
your way of getting round this is to find out possible sources of
drawings. There are official sources of drawings and photos, like
the Historical Model Railway Society (HMRS) but that requires
membership to avail yourself of their facilities. There are also
other sources of official drawings - like the NRM in York, but their
catalogue has been difficult to access for many years (requited
actually going to York) and I believe it is complete limbo at the
moment while they overhaul the indexes. If you're lucky, you might
find that books are published that deal with the prototype you are
interested in - like the Midland and LMS loco monographs produced by
Wild Swan. So it may be worth doing a dig around online book sellers
to find out if any books have been published on the Pullmans which
might contain the detail you require.
But the last way, and the one which is probably most common nowadays,
is do dig around in the indexes of the older model railway and
prototype magazines to find if any details were published at any time,
then see if someone can scan them for you. The best index of old UK
magazines is possibly
It's a bit basic, but it is the most comprehensive list I have seen
on the web. If you check coaches, then 'Other', you will find
several references to Pullman coaches. I have the Model Railway
Constructor magazines mentioned in the index, so I'll scan the
articles later on today and upload them to my web site and give you a
These coaches noted above are the (relatively) modern Pullman coaches,
but I also have a copy of Midland Railway Carriages by Lacy and Dow
which has details of the very original Pullman coaches which were
brought into the country in Victorian times to work on the Midland
Railway. To our UK eyes, they look very 'Wild West' in styling, and
I'm not sure if these might have been the prototypes you were looking
for. The history of the Pullmans in the UK is long and varied and
just asking about 'Pullmans' can present a very large target to aim at
Thanks for that - looks like the sort of hole I was looking for.
Any starting point would help TA
The pictures I was looking at were the Petworth carriages and the
Bluebell ones - so 1920's ? But at this stage I'm just looking to build
a simple set of bogies and chassis onto which I can put any
superstructure, and the Pullmans seem to be a reasonable length in 1/32
at 60cm. I can then use as the base for resizing and enhancing as time
and finance permits. The CNC kit is great for duplicating and enhancing
( and yes Graeme all the stuff I have copyright or permission for is
slowly appearing on line ;) )
Lester>> That seems to be a problem with model railways drawings.
Here's another one - but and index of Model Railway Journal articles
Other sources are UK library archives. A lot of prototype drawings
from UK companies have been archived by libraries and museums in the
UK and you can usually get access to drawings for a fee. For
instance, if you ever feel like doing a Beyer - Garratt in Gauge 1,
then the Museum of Science and Industry in Manchester hold the archive
of all the drawings from Beyer Peacock and you can get printed or
Here you go with the plans and details
They are PDFs and a bit big - about 2meg each - but they should print
out to the same size as in the magazine - but the drawings are
dimensioned. The prototypes also seem to suit your era - being
constructed just before the grouping, and running into the BR period.
As a help in constructing the coaches, you might want to get your
hands on a copy of "Carriage Modelling Made Easy" by the late David
Jenkinson and published by Wild Swan. I think the book is still in
print so there should be no problems in getting it. It describes a
method of building coach bodies in Plastikard, but it also discusses
a lot of the detail on coach bodies which could come in useful for
modelling Pullmans - just doing the roof ends for a start :-)
I'll add that to the list - these will appear on line soon
I doubt I'll be going that far just yet, but I'm planning to archive
railway data on line in the same way that I have been doing on traction
Thanks for that - EXACTLY what I was looking for and it will keep me
busy for a while. Six sets of wheels dropped through the door this
morning so now I can put a chassis round them :)
( The book was pencilled in already following another 'lead' TA )
Now your starting to put together some ideas of what you might want.
Pullman cars that ran on the Southern Railway/Region, yes/no?
There were articles in Model Railway Constructor February & March 1972 -
I think those are what "Jim" posted.
But also February to June MRC 1981 for lots more plans and info. I
haven't the time at present, so perhaps some one else can scan for you?
Following up with another bit of information on Pullmans - a new
two-part series has just started in the HMRS Journal entitled
'Pullmans in Preservation'. The first one deals mainly with
'Barbara', a first class kitchen car built as a special for the
Hastings line in 1926. It details the life and modifications up to
its present state of preservation on the KESR.
The Series 'Historic Carriage Drawings' might be of some interest. (
I have volume one - LNER & Constituents which is 128 A4 pages. 1997 (Nick
It carries a significant amount of detail both on the sides and layout of
various passenger rolling stock vehicles.
(I thought I had the LMS version as well, but can seem to find it)
As always with these things it's knowing the answer so you can ask the
right questions ;)
And they are not going to break the bank :)
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