Steve -
I think this particular one is sorting itself out (see other posts), but I'm
interested in your point about contract law. The seller is in the UK, I am
in Australia, and as far as I know my use of the eBay site is under USA
jurisdiction (until next month, when eBay Australia is up and running).
So which contract law would apply?
I am sure the answer is somewhere on the eBay site but it's not an easy
place to find your way around.
John -
Sorry, wasn't pointing at you in particular, and I hadn't noticed you were
in Australia - no airmail stickers on emails!
Yes, transnational contracts are more complex, and online ones even more so.
Generally jurisdiction is wherever the seller resides, unless he makes it a
condition of the contract that jurisdiction is in some other country, and
that place of jurisdiction may itself be negotiated between the buyer and
the seller in making the contract.
But remember, until you make an offer and the seller accepts the offer,
there is *no* contract, merely an advertisement, subject to the laws of the
country where the advert is placed, and subject in this case to a contract
between the seller and eBay in whatever country eBay resides. But eBay
literally cannot make a contract that obliges a seller to follow through,
unless they want to (a) have no auctions, or (b) get into the business of
defining and qualifying an "acceptable" buyer, and that is a whole other can
of worms.
Cheers,
Steve
Okay I did that and he still didn't responded after seven days. Have now
taken the unprecendented (for me) step of reporting this as an unpaid item.
Have also gone into more detail about the buyer's payment record. It seems
he is an average of three weeks late in paying for items yet still receives
feedback comments such as "superfast payer - excellent eBayer".
So exactly how late does a buyer have to be before someone reports him as
being a slow payer? Why would somebody report a transaction as being settled
"promptly" when eBay's own records show clearly that it was not?
(kim)
That is exactly what appears to have happened in this case but previous
sellers failed to report it that way in their feedback. It is entirely
possible we are both the victim of the same "serial late payer"?
(kim)
"kim" wrote
As far as I'm concerned someone is a Superfast payer if he pays on the day
that the auction finishes or tells me that his remittance is in the post and
it arrives within 48 hours. Quick payment is within the three days which I
ask for payment but thereafter the comments I leave are dependent upon
circumstances. I once left a reluctant 'positive feedback' with a 'slow
payer' comment - it took the buyer over a fortnight to pay, but as yet I've
not had to file a 'non-payment report' nor leave anything other that
'positive feedback'.
John.
I sense you are frustrated with this. You don't believe what you read on the
feedback, do you? Any negativity in feedback is a weapon of last resort.
Everything I buy gets feedback of "excellent" even if I open the package and
throw the contents straight in the bin. You think I'm gonna tell the world
that I was had over?
Nowadays I prefer to get round the seller's house, look at the goods, make
an offer, and pay in cash before the auction ends. Cash on the hip always
talks loudest. I find that is the best way to avoid eBay problems.
As for non-paying buyers, surely the best thing is to make a decision, do
what you've got to do, and relist.
Anyway, how does one "report" a slow payer? As for the payment record, how
can eBay "know" when someone has paid, for instance by cheque? Only when
someone gets around to clicking the "paid" button. Perhaps I should report
sellers for being a bit slow to click the paid button, seeing that I paid
before the auction ended. Oh, I forgot, the auction was ended early when the
goods became mysteriously "unavailable".
Hope this helps,
Cheers,
Steve
There's a big difference between omitting to state that payment was three
weeks late and telling everyone it was recieved immediately.
In this case I was offering the item before anyone else adn thus reasonably
expected to attract a premium over the same item offered later. Relisting
the item would defeat the whole purpose of the exercise.
By leaving feedback. If not reporting payment as being abnormally slow then
at least by not claiming it was unusually fast.
It doesn't take three weeks for a cheque to clear unless it was drawn on a
foreign bank which i specifically exclude from my auctions.
In this case it was unlikely the purchaser even clicked the "paid" button or
attempted to complete checkout in any way.
Not really :o)
(kim)
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