"Keith" wrote
Ah but *footplate* has a totally different meaning according to *people who
know* and refers to the interior of the cab and in particular its floor.
John.
- posted 16 years ago
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- posted 16 years ago
I don't know much about the subject, but I always thought the "fallplate" was
the hinged plate which fills the variable gap between the tender and
locomotive cab. (?)
My guess is that that plate was so named because it falls into place.
Regards, Greg.P.
Regards, Greg.P.
- posted 16 years ago
Words have more than one meaning, in this case closely related
meanings as in the place where the enginemen put their feet.
anonymous and unidentified *people who know* do not constitute a
verifiable source as compared to the published works of the locomotive
engineer who designed them, but its irrelevant, both are correct,
there's the inside footplate and the outside footplates which latter
may also be called running plates or running boards, or footboards as
you wish. None of which makes Wikipedia right in its reference to
*fallplate* neither does it provide a simple term for the sloping bit
in front of the cylinders. ES Cox called it the "footplating in front
of the cylinders" which takes 6 words and you still need to know what
he is talking about to understand it.
Keith
- posted 16 years ago
Quite so, read the thread and the Wikipedia entry
before you butt in
Keith
Keith
- posted 16 years ago
"Keith" wrote
I was referring to the same three 'steam era railway men' who were gabbing away in the shop this pm.
John.
I was referring to the same three 'steam era railway men' who were gabbing away in the shop this pm.
John.
- posted 16 years ago
It sure looked like a free-for-all from where I'm sitting! =8^)
- posted 16 years ago
Wot's wrong with with "Pilot Deck" for the bit out in front of the smokebox door?
"Ldder/steps"for the sloped piece that allows one to transit from the pilot deck
to
the footboard/runningboard ?
Why has this got into such a hissing match?
Why has this got into such a hissing match?
- posted 16 years ago
wrote
We don't use the expression 'pilot' in the UK, and consequently it has no meaning.
John.
We don't use the expression 'pilot' in the UK, and consequently it has no meaning.
John.
- posted 16 years ago
'Pilot' ,in the UK, can refer to a driver who accompanies the driver of a
train where the latter has not the appropriate route knowledge. Don't think
they'd be too happy sitting up by the buffer-beam, however... (Having said
that, I have seen a shunting pilot sitting on the far end of a rake of
flats, radio in hand and wearing shorts and HI-VI belt- but that was at
Coquelles in high summer)
Brian
- posted 16 years ago
Because ignorant people like you and Keith are trying to rename parts
that already have long established names - just because some halfwit
has submitted an incorrect entry into some half-rate, error ridden,
online web site.
- posted 16 years ago
Ignorance is correctable over time and with the tutelage of those who know. You
were
also ignorant when you first began, but now want to use that state of being to
insult
another newcomer.
I don't know what Keith is about, but I am not trying to change or rename
anything. I
have only recently become interested enough in British Railways to subscribe to
this
group. I did so in order to learn and ask questions as well as to participate in
various threads and topics. This one interested me because I also found the
locomotive under discussion to be quite interesting as well. I would like to know
more about it. I don't need to be insulted for asking questions. That is quite
out
of order.
It seems to me that there is a general non-consensus about what nomenclature to assign to any of several features of this and other machines. I currently have no way of knowing who is correct and who is full of wind. My questions are simply my way of trying to keep the thread going until some consensus is reached on the nomenclature issue. Now, while I may be ignorant at the moment, I am not stupid, and thus I will not remain ignorant for very long- with or without your help.
It seems to me that there is a general non-consensus about what nomenclature to assign to any of several features of this and other machines. I currently have no way of knowing who is correct and who is full of wind. My questions are simply my way of trying to keep the thread going until some consensus is reached on the nomenclature issue. Now, while I may be ignorant at the moment, I am not stupid, and thus I will not remain ignorant for very long- with or without your help.
- posted 16 years ago
OK, but you must have some way of describing that area from the buffer beam to
the
smokebox door. What do you call it? I have to ask the question using terms I
know,
because if I knew the "proper" term I wouldn't have a question in the first
instance.
- posted 16 years ago
I see that the season of 'goodwill to all men' has ended early.
- posted 16 years ago
wrote
It's the buffer beam as far as I know.
Doesn't 'pilot' refer specifically to that 'cow catcher' arrangement on the from of North American locos? We never really had them on British locos.
John.
It's the buffer beam as far as I know.
Doesn't 'pilot' refer specifically to that 'cow catcher' arrangement on the from of North American locos? We never really had them on British locos.
John.
- posted 16 years ago
Also, on inside cylinder engines, the plate-work in front of and
below the smokebox will be the forward part of any inside cylinder
cover.
- posted 16 years ago
halfwit
ridden,
would like to know
So READ about them, don't start suggesting what people should call
parts of the loco, we don't try to rename the parts of USA loco's
just because they don't fit into our 'culture' of naming parts.
Especially when you admit to being a 'newcomer' (to British
locomotive terminology)...
nomenclature to Well you would be wrong, the only people being 'non-consensus' are those who don't know, rather than read or listen to those who do, they decide that they are going to re invent the bleeding wheel and everyone using the old style wheel should change!
I currently have no way That is the problem with Usenet, any *young* fool can express their opinions, even if they have never seen a full sized steam loco let along either driven or worked on them...
nomenclature to Well you would be wrong, the only people being 'non-consensus' are those who don't know, rather than read or listen to those who do, they decide that they are going to re invent the bleeding wheel and everyone using the old style wheel should change!
I currently have no way That is the problem with Usenet, any *young* fool can express their opinions, even if they have never seen a full sized steam loco let along either driven or worked on them...
- posted 16 years ago
The buffer beam, or buffer plank, is the vertial part that the buffers
are bolted to, not the horizontal plating above and behind it that the
men stand on to clear out the smokebox or change the lamps.
The horizontal part is described by ES Cox who designed these things
for his living as the front footplating, I have also heard 'front
platform' but not sure if that was common in UK practice. The more
traditional UK loco front end with curved plating under the smokebox
was sometimes called a piano front.
Pilot is much as you suggest John but the reference was to 'pilot deck' which is the bit you stand on above the pilot.
Keith
Pilot is much as you suggest John but the reference was to 'pilot deck' which is the bit you stand on above the pilot.
Keith
- posted 16 years ago
you understood better than any of the others, you were the only
correspondent who addressed the issue I raised!
You could consider who can quote verifiable sources and who just repeats in capitals so that the stupid natives might better understand.
Unfortunately there can be no concensus while some participants insist that each word has only one meaning and each part can be correctly described by only one word. English is not like that, even within the restricted topic of UK railways, even less so when broadened out into railways in the rest of the English speaking world. And while UK and US railway language is distinctly different there is also quite a lot of cross fertilisation, 30 years ago we in UK did not have freight trains we had goods trains, now we have freight trains instead, and this change was well under way before the Wisconsin Central bought up our freight operators. So to learn its better we try to understand each other and seek clarification when someone uses a different word than the one we prefer rather than just burying the original topic under sterile argument about words.
Keith
You could consider who can quote verifiable sources and who just repeats in capitals so that the stupid natives might better understand.
Unfortunately there can be no concensus while some participants insist that each word has only one meaning and each part can be correctly described by only one word. English is not like that, even within the restricted topic of UK railways, even less so when broadened out into railways in the rest of the English speaking world. And while UK and US railway language is distinctly different there is also quite a lot of cross fertilisation, 30 years ago we in UK did not have freight trains we had goods trains, now we have freight trains instead, and this change was well under way before the Wisconsin Central bought up our freight operators. So to learn its better we try to understand each other and seek clarification when someone uses a different word than the one we prefer rather than just burying the original topic under sterile argument about words.
Keith
- posted 16 years ago
insist
Quite correct, so shut up and stop showing your ignorance!
- posted 16 years ago
"Keith" wrote
Yes, I'd sussed that much.
John.
Yes, I'd sussed that much.
John.
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