Hornby 8Fs

"simon" wrote

Aye, but heavy rain doesn't get rid of greasy, sooty film which could be as much as 1/8" thick. You need some pretty potent detergent to have ANY impact on that.

John/

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John Turner
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Acid rain, plus hail as big as duck eggs that I remember we used to have before I was a lad ?

Simon

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simon

"simon" wrote

It obviously never rained in Manchester then Simon - I don't recall seeing very manu clean locos around that neck of the woods. ;-)

John.

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John Turner

"John Turner" wrote

manu indeed, very Freudian! ;-)

John.

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John Turner

"Jerry" wrote

the point is that weathering always starts from the top and works down on railway stock (unlike road vehicles were the muck is sprayed upwards by the tyres and then gets blown around the vehicle.

Jerry, I beg to differ. Working on a preserved railway (which may not 100% count for what we are discussing, but worth my 2p) where the locos are cleaned regularly it is often the wheels and motion and all below the running plate that is the dirtyest part. John is also correct that the top is covered in soot and doesn't rinse in the rain. Maybe Hornby's painter in China has not been shown the matt black paint for the tops.

Also, when it comes to coaches, the bogies and underframes are the dirtyest (not refering to DMU's either here) especially when it comes to the vacuum pipes and buckeye couplings, which are often caped in brown material and white paper deposits ! Anyone modelled this ? Bet even Steve Banks doesn't model the bog pipe on his coach underframes ! Perfection my Ar*e !

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Andy Sollis CVMRD

"Andy Sollis CVMRD" wrote

Hi Andy,

British Railway steam locos were rarely cleaned, and after a a couple of weeks in traffic locos tended to have a fairly even coating of dirty grey (certainly not brown) oily clag highlighted by rusty patches and limescale dribbles from safety valves and the likes.

Hornby's muddy brown wash is totally unlike anything I've ever seen on a steam loco. Bachmann have made a far more realistic attempt at weathering their steam locos. Neither Hornby nor Bachmann have produced anything even vauguely like realistic weathering on their diesel models.

John.

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John Turner

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With respect I don't think it is, the work-a-day weathering found on preserved railways are nothing like what would be found on BR (or pre / post BR) IMO.

I'm not saying that no weathering on rail stock comes from the track but far more and most of what is noticeable comes from the top down.

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Jerry

But hornby are into selling locos, producing realistic representations is just part of the means to gain those sales. They must consider the collectors who may not want too much muck, whereas the real men can add weathering if they so wish. Plus they must be individual - would the 9 pacifics look right on my oval if they had the same weathering pattern - it all adds to cost.

Simon

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"Jerry" wrote

With respect I don't think it is, the work-a-day weathering found on preserved railways are nothing like what would be found on BR (or pre / post BR) IMO.

I'm not saying that no weathering on rail stock comes from the track but far more and most of what is noticeable comes from the top down.

Jerry, Probably why I disagreed then. Preserved is all I have known and much of the photos are B&W from the time we are refering to. Each to their own.

Andy

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Andy Sollis CVMRD

"John Turner" wrote

Hi Andy,

British Railway steam locos were rarely cleaned, and after a a couple of weeks in traffic locos tended to have a fairly even coating of dirty grey (certainly not brown) oily clag highlighted by rusty patches and limescale dribbles from safety valves and the likes.

Hornby's muddy brown wash is totally unlike anything I've ever seen on a steam loco. Bachmann have made a far more realistic attempt at weathering their steam locos. Neither Hornby nor Bachmann have produced anything even vauguely like realistic weathering on their diesel models.

John. Sent you a photo - Standard 4. Not quite the Hornby shades, but mucky non the less !

Andy

P.S. What colour is is a dirty (weathered) rail ?

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