Braze or weld ?

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brazing ~should~ work fine but idk if i would feel comfortable with it being brazed. honestly i dont see how it is cost effective to try and make these as apposed to buying them. its cool and all you want to make them for him but i just dont think the time and materials you put into them are going to produce as good of a peg as is already mass produced. also since he just wants them on the back you want gnarling or some other form of grip on them. there are 2 styles of pegs if my memory serves me correctly, textured and smooth. if you want to do a lot of standing or riding someone else on pegs you want the textured, if you want to be doing grinding on rails and such you are going to want the smooth ones.
maybe prices have changed a lot but i remember pegs being in the 20 buck range when i got my bmx bike, granted that was like 8-10 years ago but i doubt they are much more expensive now
-matt
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Most of the high end, steel framed, road bicycles have brazed or silver soldered joints, although the frames are made with "lugs" so that the joints are actually socketed joints rather then simple butt joints. Cheers,
Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Hey , you miss the point ... I WANNA make these ! I've got the materials on hand , and have the machinery (mill and lathe) and tooling to do the job right . Including two types of knurling tool . I'm leaning right now towards making a cupped washer to go under the axle nut and threading the sleeve onto it .
"Where'd ya get those cool pegs Scooter ?"
"My Grandpa made 'em for me !"

Killjoy.
If we made all our decisions on what is cost-effective, we'd all live in studio apartments and wouldn't have garages full of fun toys -- er, tools.

If you braze make sure that there's plenty of surface area for a bond -- it's not necessary if the braze is perfect, but if it isn't...
"Where'd you get the hole in your ankle Scooter?"
"My Granpa made some stunt pegs for me ..."
(yea, yea -- now I'm being a killjoy. Were it me I'd still make the pegs, though).

If I go with braze , it'll be a similar joint . Plenty of surface area for strength . But for ease of install and being able to get at the axle nuts , I'm leanin' towards a threaded design . With at least 3/4" of threads for strength . Scooter's a big boy for 9 yrs , he's a lineman on the youth football team in his town ... and a good one too , if I do say so myself .

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well dang if you have knurling tools then by all means, i was expecting you were just going to braze on the cup washers and just slap them on. i am all for the hand made factor (heck all of the xmas presents im giving this year are hand made... guess i dont have much option though being a poor art student that has access to a full glass shop and a full metalsmith studio ;) )
and mr. wescott, i have to think about cost effectiveness because of all the toys i "justify" haha
-matt
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I once read a very scientific article about how "bronze welding" a British variation of brazing albeit with a different rod, was better for building motorcycle frames. Apparently Norton had built some one off frames for their racing motorcycles and found that the welded joints had cracked as apposed to the non-cracking bronze welded joints of the so called "production" feather-bed frame used on the normal team bikes.
Cheers,
Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

If you go with welding, you should use a rod that has more chrome and nickel than the parent material. Otherwise you can get carbides formed in the weld and have cracking. I have some 312 stainless rods and could chop up a couple of rods so they fit into a regular envelop and mail them to you. But I would use silver brazing.
Dan

You got the wrong guy. I wasn't fixing the bicycle :-)
Cheers,
Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

That would be me ... and I've decided to silver braze/solder them . Figgered out tonight that the axles are 3/8-24 SAE , which I've got a tap for (thought they'd be metric) . The slug in the end of the sleeve is going to be the axle nut ... end inside the sleeve will be hexed for tightening purposes .

Do an honest cost accounting and let us know how much these things are worth, i.e., no material from scrap and spare time stuff. Material at cost plus transportation; labor at prevailing rates; overhead including SS and medical payments.
Cheers,
Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

The ones on my sons bike are threaded onto the axle shafts. Did I miss something?

Accidently hit send too soon. They are not threaded on shaft or if they are they also have the nut on from the inside. They look like they are turned out of a single piece. Probably a cone welded into a cylinder and then turned to look like one piece. I would weld it myself.

Yup , or a one piece extrusion . I've seen both types online . I'm still not sure how I wanna do these , it changes day to day . Good thing is that once I decide , I've got the equipment to do it either way (weld/braze or threaded) .