Dave Brown for AMA President

There are things that AMA can do, and things that it cannot do. Among things AMA CAN do are:

1) Provide liability insurance for model flying activities. 2) Work with FCC and FAA officials to obtain frequencies and establish guidelines regarding "model flight rules" pertaining to proximity to airports, flying altitudes, etc. 3) Establish a general safety code for all types of model flying 4) Establish rules for competition flying 5) Sanction and publish event calendars for competition and "fun fly" events 6) Hold national competition, open house, and "fly in" events 7) Act as the U.S. representative to the FAI for purposes of rule making, U.S. world championship team entry, and establishment of world records 8) Work with special interest groups in selecting teams to represent the U.S. in world championship events 9) Host some of the various world championship events 10) ...and other functions too numerous to list

Some things AMA CANNOT do are:

1) Save flying fields from being lost due to construction of housing projects next door 2) Convince JR that they should connect their charge plugs with the same polarity as everyone else 3) Publish a magazine that everyone will think is "worth the money" it might cost to produce 4) Convince everyone that it is "worth the money" for AMA to be involved with items listed 4-9 above which most members are not directly involved with 5) ...and more items too numerous to list

All things considered, though, I think Dave has done a good job. His business experience has helped him deal with the "business" nature of the AMA, which is considerable.

While Dave is best known for his R/C flying, most notably aerobatic competition, he realizes that all aspects of the hobby are important, and AMA's successfully hosting occasional international events can be a "good thing" for all modelers.

Dave has the right temperament for dealing with such things as being questioned by the FAA about "these people flying model airplanes at

20,000 feet." While it is unlikely that the people who are performing such stunts are AMA members, the AMA has to defend our use of the airspace, and Dave is a good person to do it.

The job of AMA president, or any other office in such an organization can be thankless at times. As Dave and his predecessors well know, you can't make everyone happy. Sport R/C flyers think too much money is spent on the Muncie site. Free flighters, who, as a group, have donated a lot of money for development of the Muncie site feel making it "free flight friendly" should be a higher priority. Maybe you can't win, and maybe Dave hasn't done everything perfectly, but in general, he's done a good job. If he's willing to do it a few more years, he has my vote.

Kit Gerhart AMA 224

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Abel Pranger

Whew! Can't wait to see what the bashers do with this one!

Chuck

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C.O.Jones

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Very good! However why did a committee composed of Dave Mathewson, et. al. finally prepare a NEW Safety Code for 2005 and future? Why has Dave Brown promoted a Safety Code so ambiguous and restrictive as the one presented for 2004 and prior? //SNIP//

might cost to produce

AMA can easily publish a magazine and I don't really care how much that magazine costs to produce as long as all that glitter advertising pays the bill, rather than individual member dues. Read the audit reports. Adver. income barely exceeds advertising production expense PLUS the agent's fat commission. The member dues support a commercial magazine. YUCK!! Good ol' boys deluxe all at DB's satisfaction.

The minutes of the AMA EC meetings are filled with recalls of previous actions, even unto the fiasco of the Jet turbine problems of last year. Finally a few level-headed EC members got the situation resolved earlier this year, but look at the time and money wasted just because the Safety Committee, the JPO, and the EC voted something in that wasn't the President's idea.

It's time for a change. Let the members -- FOR ONCE -- say "Enough is Enough."

HC

"Freedom is the sure possession of those alone who have the courage to defend it" Pericles "He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice." -- Albert Einstein

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No thanks. I've already seen more than enough of what "Brown" can do fo

me

-- Quacke

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snipped-for-privacy@aol.com (CainHD) wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@mb-m17.aol.com:

Are they going to require the safety officer to be a registered industrial hygenist or safety engineer?

- HPT

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High Plains Thumper

The AMA shouldn't be in the insurance business, there are plenty of insurance underwriters out there.

Agreed, but you have to be proactive, not reactive.

True, but they can be expects on:

  1. How to advise clubs on how to setup private partnerships to purchase flying sites.
  2. Working with Federal and State Government agencies to use public lands for flying sites.
  3. A proponent to Federal and State Parks on model land usage.
  4. A pool of money to lend chartered clubs to acquire land.

True, But they could lobby the manufacturers for compatability and interoperatablility of components. They could work with the International Standards Organization to establish standards.

How about just allowing members to opt out of receiving the magazine and reducing membership costs accordingly, they could do that. And if they use the old argument it would cost them advertising money, utilize the AMA website for advertising. The magazine needs to stand on it's own feet and be subscibed to by the membership VOLUNTARILY. SIG's and other AMA business should be web based. For those without web access, they could subscribe to a monthly newsletter at the subscribers cost.

Volunteers.....

There is a huge disconnect between the vast majority of the membership and Muncie's facilities. Why don't we make it voluntary for each member to "contribute" to paying for the site at muncie. I suspect (no I guarantee) that voluntary contributions wouldn't come close to covering the bill. So essentially you have mandated, that to belong to an AMA chartered club, you have to help pay for the muncie facility. This is in addition to the mandatory magazine. What mandatory new fee is next?

Phil

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Please outline your plan to insure that all of the flyers in your club are insured, and how you'll make sure that this coverage is continuous throughout each year for each of them. Also, outline in your plan to show how this will be guaranteed to the land-owner, and who in the club will be responsible (and how) if there is no coverage when an incident occurs. Also show cost for this additional coverage for the club, spread out over each typical member.

Then show how you'll make it possible to show that each guest flyer at every event at your club's field (and every field!) has continuous, non-lapsing coverage during each event.

Then we'll consider how the AMA can indeed back out of being an insurance provider without us (the flying public) losing even more fields due to non-insured incidents, litigation, and land-owner exposure.

If you can't afford $58 a year, you can't afford to fly RC.

Jack

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insured, and >how you'll make sure that this coverage is continuous throughout each year for >each of them. Also, outline in your plan to show how this will be guaranteed to the >land-owner, and who in the club will be

typical >member.

Jack, you are very correct and cover the points extremely well. However IMO when an AMA President and the Executive Vice President (AMA's Chief Financial Officer) and the main Insurance Person -- a salaried employee of AMA

-- are the (self?) appointed Directors of an AMA financed Captive Insurance Company and their focus appears to be mainly on that item, then it is, again my opinion, that perhaps new leadership for the AMA per-se is definitely in order. BTW have you ever seen the EVP write about this in his AMA "MA" column? Have you read the minutes of EC meetings where the EVP frequently asks the EC to instill much higher requirements for his position? Lots of questions in my mind about that!! (;-(

Vote Dave Mathewson for AMA President.

HC

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CainHD

Phil, I can agree on the rest, but 2 and 3 should be left alone.

Mike

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Mike R

Phil,

You should rear the AMA Site Assistance Program. Short of actually providing the money, they pretty much do all od what you ask.

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Paul McIntosh

Jack,

That is easily possible. What many would like to see is the AMA get out of the insurance business and turn that over to a company that specializes in insurance. The annual policies and proof of insurance would not have to change at all.

What I do NOT want to see is allowing any kind of unverifyable homeowners insurance to be used in lieu of the type of annual policy we now have. I believe that would lead to far too much overhead at the club level just making sure the policies are kept in force.

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Paul McIntosh

Mike,

Look up the AMA Site Assistance Program.

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Paul McIntosh

How can the administration of Dave Brown be judged fairly? You decide how many of the goals have been accomplished.

August 1996 issue of Model Aviation, page 146, President's Corner

New President, Dave Brown's 10 goals, for the AMA established at the long range planning session during his first year as President. As he stated, in no particular order:

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To improve the working conditions for our HQ staff, specifically, to have the design, and planning for a new HQ building done within three years, and to have it built, and to be in it within five years.

To establish our museum as the premier model aviation museum in the world, and to have it accredited within three years.

To run the Nats on a financially break-even basis or better within three years.

To increase our net assets by $2 million within three years.

To have an education/research program in place within three years.

To increase the number of local flying fields by 10% within three years.

To increase the membership to 200,000 within 3 years.

To have a formal flight-training program in place within three years.

To complete the next $1 million in National Flying Site (Muncie) development

To have a Youth/Family activities program in place within three years.

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J_R

They claim to do it! But like the insurance, what proof do you have?

Oh Yeah! For this we'll take their word for it!

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C.O.Jones

Met objective

No tangible criteria for judging performance, except for accreditation. Met???

No data reported to base evaluation on

N/A - Objective unrelated to mission of organization

Partially met re education

Failed to meet objective - no progress

Failed to meet objective - no progress over entire term of office

Failed to meet objective - no action

Exceeded objective by a wide margin

Failed to meet objective - no action

Overall evaluation: Failed to meet expected performance standards for the position.

Reply to
Abel Pranger

Since you are not in the AMA, and have never tried their services, you have no basis for a statement one way or the other. On the other hand, I have been very much involved and can vouch for their service. I am sure there are other club officials who have also used the services.

You should stick to commenting on things you have some direct knowledge in, like nothing related to the AMA.

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Paul McIntosh

There are, but who else provides insurance that: A) involves as little paperwork as AMA insurance B) is as easily verified as AMA insurance C) is as inexpensive as AMA insurance D) is as clear and comprehensive regarding R/C as AMA insurance

Proactive how, exactly? This is the FCC and FAA we're talking about. Constantly calling them up and asking, "Say, are you gonna take away our frequencies/regulate our airspace today?" That would be dumb. What can we get from the FAA or FCC right now that would be of benefit to us? The FAA isn't telling us we can't fly, and the FCC isn't telling us we can't use the frequencies. Demanding spread spectrum bandwidth from the FCC with no technology that can take advantage of it is wasteful.

Check the AMA Flying Site Assistance program.

You're kidding, right? If a club can't afford to make payments to a bank, it can't afford to make payments to the AMA...

...and I could be the tooth fairy. As enforcement agencies, neither the AMA nor the ISO have the effectiveness of a wet noodle when it comes to dealing with manufacturers. Compliance to ISO standards is strictly VOLUNTARY, and is only beneficial when being standardized will yield an increase in profits. Manufacturers don't comply to standards for the benefit of the end-user. In the case of R/C systems, radio choice is a religious arguemnt rather than a technical one (i.e. Futaba vs. JR). It's more profitable to NOT be standardized, because that means when you switch from one "religion" to the other, you have to buy all new equipment. That means more money for the "religion" you just joined.

Baloney. The newsletter is an IRS REQUIREMENT. No newsletter, no AMA, and I'm pretty sure the IRS is so backward that "electronic delivery" isn't in their vocabulary. It's gotta be on paper, or it doesn't count.

If you think that an "opt out" on the magazine will save you dues money, think again. Doing the math based on published, audited budget numbers, it costs each member a bit over $7 out of their dues each year to get the magazine. It costs our club $7 per member per year to publish a 6-issue, 8-page newsletter. The average newsletter portion of an AMA magazine is around 40 pages, and there are 12 issues. Even with quantity discounts on the materials, and bulk mailing rates, you're not going to do it for $7 per member per year.

Where are you going to get volunteers? You ever been a member of a club, let alone the president of one? Getting people to volunteer to mow the grass is tough enough, let alone getting someone to go out and "pound pavement" to promote something. "I just want to fly."

Which kind of organization would you take more seriously:

  1. The organization whose headquarters is a world-class facility dedicated to the activity/hobby/sport that it represents.
  2. The organizaiton that operates out of rented commercial space next door to the fly-by-night telemarketer firm?

Muncie says that we're here to stay, that we're serious enough about this whole "toy airplane" thing that we built a lavish shrine dedicated to it. It's essential to the image the aeromodeling community should be presenting to the public. That you'll "never use it" is irrelevant. You'll probably never use 99.9% of the facilities and services your tax dollars pay for, yet that's apparently okay. At least, nobody ever complains about it the way they complain about Muncie...

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Mathew Kirsch

Never said I have never tried their services. You should know your opponents better! I have in fact been a member. Quite a few years ago. On retirement, I looked into joining again but have found a vastly different AMA than the one I remember. A lot of the attitudes are different too.

As for direct knowledge, when was the last time you talked to anyone at Muncie? It's been just a few months for me. DB was the last one I believe.

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C.O.Jones

UMA Check it out.

Yes, proactive. The government oils the squeekey wheel. No squeek! No oil!

Better than in years past but nowhere what they could be.

Maybe a loan is the wrong way to go? Think about this, where is the next Rutan going to come from? And better still, where is going to go? If the AMA isn't in the equation somewhere, the organization is bankrupt as far as the hobby is concerned. I'm sure however some will never get this hint! Starting with Paul.

Close but not really. Biggest manufacturers are Futaba, Multiplex (Germany) and probably JR. Of Futaba and Multiplex the R/C radio side is in no way their corporate bread and butter. And I doubt it is for JR or any other manufacturer. IOW, any and probably all of them can simply close that portion of their business were the AMA or anyone else try too hard to dictate. They have to be SOLD on each and every idea!

It's called leadership! Real leadership! Not the appointed kind you find around here.

How about an aviation oriented organization that doesn't have a presence in the worlds most visited museum of any type? The Smithsonian Air and Space. How about an organization that instead moved it's museum to about the most "Why go there?" city in North America? Far! Far away from the Air and Space instead of the 20 or so miles it use to be! How about an organization that use to be HQ'd close to all these government orgs they should be in close touch with?

They weren't "here to stay" in Reston, Virginia! What makes Muncie any different? Oh Yeah! Easier to hide from the public eye! Wonder why they want to do that?

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