Looking for a club/Instructor in Derbyshire/Notts area of UK

And all that because I suggested he use index and thumb to fly his plane....

If you're really bored you should check out the politics NGs. The Bush followers are getting a bit thin on the ground there now but plenty of his master's supporters there.

Dave, you are far too conservative. I think your troll meter needs recalibrating...

:-)))

Malcolm

I, for one, have taught several people to fly, and some, particularly those who can find more time to practise, now can "outfly" me - but then I only fly for my personal enjoyment and self appointed levels of achievement and have no interest in competition which some of my pupils have indulged.

I have always stressed the need for safety and awareness of any bystanders.

BTW I know that I could achieve the necessary standard for the BMFA achievement schemes but as already stated I am not interested in competition or displaying to a public audience. In any case I mostly fly alone - not recommended by many - but am prepared to accept any liability for my actions and the consequences should I manage to cause myself any injury.

Malcolm

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Quite a few, I'm sure. I've met several guys on this group over the years who have taught lots of people to fly.

I've taught several people to fly myself. By the way, I'm a thumb flyer, and I am self taught. My brother in law is a finger-thumb guy, and he is also self taught. I always assumed that he used the finger-thumb method because of his personality. It looks more impressive and precise, and he likes that. He's an Air Force officer, so it fits his image, but image is all it amounts to.

I've been thinking about what you've said about the difference between the two methods of stick control, and I believe that your entire argument can be summed up in one statement. The less you look like an ape wielding a club, the better. I understand this concept very well because I've met so many people who fall into that line of thinking, but it is based solely on image. Whether you are operating a sophisticated piece of equipment or simply wielding a club, it really doesn't matter what you look like. A lot of people have a similar hangup about proper guitar technique. You are "supposed to" keep your thumb tip against the back of the guitar neck at all times and keep your thumb arched so your palm doesn't touch the neck. However, if you look at some of the most accomplished guitar players you'll notice that a lot of them have their hands wrapped around the neck like an ape with a club. I'm not going to argue with them. These are people who are getting the sound that they want, so how can you tell them they are wrong? The only thing they are really doing wrong is violating somebody's idea of what is proper, just like a thumb flyer. If you hadn't decided that one way must surely be better than the other, which it apparently isn't, there would be no difference between the two methods besides personal preference.

My defence of the index-thumb grip has nothing to do with "looks". It IS generally accepted as the more precise way (thumbs is supposed to be faster). Novices need precision far more than they need the speed for snap aerobatics. It IS a tiny bit more difficult to get used to for someone starting from scratch. My position remains that unless a novice really has significant problems with grip after the first few flights, he should start on index-thumb. They have to start one way or the other and this is what people change *to* rather than *from* as can be discovered from a few googles. I'm getting bored with this subject so I'll let the thumbers have the last word (and I've just been to the model shop and got a load of gear to get on with!).

Thank the Lord! Having totally hijacked this thread with his utterly bovine refusal to accept anyone else's point of view but his own, this geezer now says he is 'bored' with it. Glory be! Hallelujah!

But think of this before you go, markzoom. How many people in this entire thread have you converted to your way of thinking? Let me answer that for you. The answer is ZERO. Not one solitary person has changed his mind since the first time you opened your fat gob. You are nothing but a troll. You are the total antithesis of what these newsgroups stands for.

Can't you see that banging on endlessly about the same thing just to prove you are right only alienates more and more people? Frankly, whether you *are* right or wrong, you have shown yourself to be a chromium plated @sshat of the first order who refuses to even consider another PoV but his own. I, like many others, will be glad never to hear another word from you.

So enjoy building your new models. At least that's something to do with your fingers other than using them to post more of your endless crap here.

Someone asked earlier if you are autistic. If you are then I apologise for my rant, but I would ask that your carer(s) take time to censor your online activities a little bit more than of late.

Either way, I have to say it will be nice to see the back of you whenever you DO eventually decide to STFU once and for all!

Travec.

| But think of this before you go, markzoom. How many people in this | entire thread have you converted to your way of thinking? Let me | answer that for you. The answer is ZERO.

But that's pretty much the norm for discussions like this -- no matter how reasonable you are, how well reasoned your arguments, how convincing your citations, you're unlikely to convince somebody who has already made up their mind. Sometimes you will, but it's rare.

I'm not saying that markzoom isn't a troll -- just that he isn't for the reasons you gave.

Really, his problem in this thread was that not only did he not change anybody's mind, but nobody agreed with him in the first place, and yet he still clung to his idea that his way was the only right way, and everybody else was wrong.

I went flying today, flying my US 25e and my 100" Impulse electric glider. It was quite windy, but I was still finding plenty of lift for the glider. I hope I can go out again tomorrow!

Where did you fly? mk

People like markzoom will always exist and try to take over. I think that it takes two to play, hence if he had been ignored then it would never have happened. He was effectively democratically voted in by a trail of responders...

People just kept rising to the bait!

Allan

But I'd still like to smack him in the face! Dave :^)

On the other hand, if the discussion hadn't occurred we wouldn't have been treated to the entertaining tantrum on the part of the original poster. That was quite amusing.

| Where did you fly?

Well, there's two clubs I fly at -- the Hill Country Aeromodelers in South Austin, and the Austin Silent Flyers in Pflugerville.

I've found that I like flying gliders most of all -- finding lift is fun -- so I went to the ASF field first, but I caught the last person leaving. I much prefer to not fly alone, so I flew for a little while, and then went down to the HCAM field and flew there for a while.

Powered planes are fun too, but basically I just poke holes in the sky, and I'm not really so interested in aerobatics, so gliders are more fun.)

The most fun of all is slope flying on a good slope with lots of wind and company, but alas with the sale of Dave's place, there hasn't been much slope flying done around here, and I haven't seen any of the regulars in a while. There's still places to fly, but they're either marginal (Murchison middle school) or risky (Mansfield Dam) or far away (Georgetown Dam, Canyon Lake) or require winds that are rarely available this time of year.

Today might have been a good day for Mansfield dam -- 10-20 mph S winds -- but my wife wasn't feeling well, so I stayed home with the kids.

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 21:41:27 GMT, "Doug McLaren" wrote in :

My buddy and I flew a glider this year up here in Buffalo.

We took turns towing it it up with his trainer. We broke it a few times, but not badly enough to scrap. We found some lift every day, but not down low.

Haven't got a good public site for that in our neighborhood. There's one place ~40 miles south of here, but the winds are variable and I think it's mostly for a group of friends. I suppose I ought to go search the Niagara escarpment. I've got a friend with a small airport that hosts a glider club. They may be using slope lift.

Marty

All right kiddies, Just because I mentioned that a PC sim would be a good way of getting thumb practice.

I am now very bored listening to all the hot air, but it certainly shook this NG into activity!

Now for another controversial topic... About the BFMRA and its forum...............................!

Who?

Allan

I hope you thumbed through some magazines and catalogues before deciding on your purchases !

Reg

So...... I belong to the 'research' division! try anything, me!