Two AMA VPs announce retirement

Neither VP would preclude a potential run for the presidency of the AMA in the future. Both are supporters of terms limits. There was discussion of an attempt at a simple by-law change mandating term limits. If passed by the EC, the change would be submitted to the leader members for approval.

"Term limits are simply a weak excuse of the lame, supported by and for the lame." It's about time people get what they deserve and not have some "law" protect them from failing to take their responsibility. It is not like we had qualified people beating down the doors to get elected. Maybe when we have no more uncontested elections it will be time to consider term limits, not until!

Red S. AMA 951 Leader Member District V

Red, I will second your implied motion. Term limits insure non-elected folks run the show since they have more institutional smarts than the others.

I like term limits. Every club has only a few folks that will bother to vote. Even the AMA. Term limits prevent the entrenchment of a few folks and their henchmen. It reduces nepotism, cronyism and favoritism.

Anything that thwarts what I call "professional politicians" is good in my eyes. I don't trust anyone as president that actually wants the job. But especially those that want to be president-for-life.

As long as we have a flying field, the field is mowed and everyone is welcome, I'm happy.

Ditto the AMA. If we have affordable and effective insurance and a reasonable voice directed at the FCC/FAA, I'm happy.

I don't want folks constantly scheming up ways to make life ever more complicated or expensive. And I damned sure don't want to be pestered via mail, telephone or email with unsolicited sales calls (DVD).

The professional politicians should grow some gonads and go play with the big boys in government and leave we modelers alone.

Ed Cregger

Each person interprets the ink-spot in his own way, and Ed, you and I certainly see it differently.

complicated or expensive. And I damned sure don't want to be pestered via

Ed Cregger

I disagree, but I won't call you names, or infer that you are not pulling your weight in the club.

Hey Ed -

I'm with you.

Red and Hoss miss the decades of the late J McNeill occupying the chair that should have been occupied by somebody representing the members of D-V.

I don't.

Abel

You ever notice Ed, that if you give a rational point about something, that some of the bigger Dickheads on this group disagree with, they jump right to the personal attacks?

Most people know I worked my butt of to get McNeill out of office, to the extent that he went to great ends trying to have my Leader Membership pulled. However as the people of District V voted or failed to vote as the case may be, I could think of no better punishment than having McNeill as their leader and the District being seen as the joke of the AMA. They got what they deserved and perhaps learned a lesson when the saw new leadership for the District with AVP appointments of active modelers. Then maybe they didn't - only time will tell. The only good I see of term limits is to keep some dedicated guy from burning out and losing interest in the whole thing, chucking it all and taking up golf. That happens more than I would like to think. Ever notice more hand setting when nominations for club officers are requested? Term limit is a brutal master when it takes the decisions out of the hands of the voters as to who they want in office and for how long.

We all know that life seldom has any workable black or white answers. There are exceptions to every rule.

Term limits are harsh, I admit it. It is just that I was in a club that was hijacked by a gang of ner'do'wells for over a decade and I am bitter at the discomfort it generated for our membership. This was in NJ, not in the club I am in presently.

Perhaps the answer is that sometimes term limits are a good thing and other times they are not. Just like every other item in a club's charter, it is possible to invoke or revoke such rules when necessary.

I usually do not respond to political threads. I think that I will return to that policy.

Ed Cregger

Perhaps the answer is that sometimes term limits are a good thing and other times they are not. Just like every other item in a club's charter, it is possible to invoke or revoke such rules when necessary.

I usually do not respond to political threads. I think that I will return to that policy.

Think nothing of it, Horrace. I tend to become a little too emotional about some issues. Tis my curse. It has nothing to do with you or the other amigos on the newsgroup.

Ed Cregger

While, in principle, I would agree with the concept that term limits are undesirable, I also think that less than 20 percent voter turnout is equally undesirable. Since less that 20% voter turnout is a fact, I believe that makes term limits a necessity to keep a very small number of voters with precise agendas from indefinite control over the organization.

You make my point my better than I.

Ed Cregger

Term limits are always a hard call (anyone done any reading on the Constitutional change under FDR to limit the President's term...)

Club that I belong to has a two-term limit on occupying the same office. One year, we hit the wall -- almost everyone was coming up against their limit but everyone thought that the Exec was doing a good job, so it wound up being a reshuffle. This time around, most of the Exec wanted out. Which is how I got to be President.... me and my big mouth!

This idea wouldn't fly in the AMA, but Australia has compulsory voting. That is, you have to show up at a polling station, get your name crossed off of the voters list, receive and return a ballot. If you decide to actually mark the ballot, that's your choice.

Now this brings up an idea. Impose $5.00 penalty on AMA members dues for those that do not vote.

Red S.

What happens if you stay at home and don't bother ? A fine, imprisonment, free Koala ? Strange democracy, no respect for the "I don't give a f*ck" tax paying people.

and dissapear up your own arse lets face it, anyone over 50 should be euthanised.

:) mk