# forge with natural gas?

I've been talking to my natural gas vendors. They say they could get me NG at 2 psi. Would that be enough to run a forge off of?
I told them I wanted like 15 to 25 psi and they told me I was absolutely insane. Yet lots of guys are running propane at that pressure. What am I not seeing?
Grant Erwin
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Grant, the size of the orfice nat gas approximately 3X the size of lp/propane
take care!
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Domestic natural gas forges require a blower.
With propane you can get high pressure and can use that pressure to draw air because of the high velocity at the orifice. This allows you not use a blower. It means that for an equivalent volume of gas you can use a smaller orifice with propane than you would with lower pressure natural gas.
The trick with domestic natural gas is to keep the pipe feeding the forge as large as possible for as long as possible. As you get close to the forge you usually have no choice but to reduce pipe size. I seem to recall that you can usually get 1" or 1 1/2" as your primary feed and this can be reduced to 1/2" or 3/4" within the last foot or two at the forge. Of course, you will have to reduce the pipe further near the orifice but this should be a very short section.
I last looked into this about 3 years ago and I was working with the idea of using 1/2 to 1 psi gas. This is normal domestic natural gas pressure, or so I was told. I would think that 2psi would considerably simplify things.
Cheers,
Kelley On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 07:10:25 -0800, Grant Erwin

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On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:48:14 GMT, Kelley Mascher

Natural gas is normally deliverd at 5 water column inches. As a comparison propane is delivered around 11 water column inches. 14 water column inches is 1/2 PSI.
Ironhorse, HSB#96, SENS BS 2001 Ultraclassic with Sidecar 96 Custom bucket of bolts (gone but not forgotten)
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Grant Erwin wrote:

Plenty, but you'll need a blower. I run NG and forced air, and have no problems with the pressure (just barely above atmospheric) that comes out of the gas line from the meter. The idea is to choke down the inlet to the blower so there will be a partial vacuum at the inlet, then just open up the flow valve for the gas into the inlet opening. Mine has a half-inch line going to the blower, centered over the inlet by a metal spyder. The 'choke' plate rides on threads on the gas pipe, allowing adjustment of the total air inlet area. When lighting, toss in some kindling, turn on the blower, open the gas valve, WHOOOSH! fire. Air first, then the fuel! Clear as mud, no?
Charly
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The gas people in most locations react like that. I have access to 80 psi natural gas on my property, but have opted for propane. It is more pleasant to work around and is hotter. The rest of the guys have already told you how to use 2 psi gas. It will do the job just fine, including forge welding, if you do your homework and build an efficient forge. There are some very fine natural gas forges out there.
Ron
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