Coolant Paydirt !? ! And a Q...

Awl --
So ahm standin on my ear over here, tryna find an economical soluble oil.
Sam pointed me to Chevron Soluble Oil B, at about half the price of RustLick
and the others.
So then I remembered a company called Silogram (Bayonne, NJ), that delivers its own oil products. Their white soluble oil is an "MW 150" spec, and they charge.... are you ready???? $425 per 55 gal drum, delivered!
The breakpoints are inneresting: very few breakpoints from 5 gals to 55 gal drums, in most of these companies, Silogram being the exception. PrimeLube, in NJ, who carries the Chevron soluble B, wants $72.50/ 5 gal, vs. $69 from Silogram -- pretty good.
But for the 55 gal drum, Primelube wants $759, vs. the $425 from Silogram -- a biggie.
Sorta like pizza -- you rarely get a per-slice break buying the whole pie.... whazzup wit DAT??? And still, the PrimeLube/Chevron is a lot better than the catalog stuff.
Silogram carries a synthetic, at $850/drum, but the guy was pretty upfront, that unless your machining is very demanding (read: high temp, at the cutter, eg, titanium/SS), stick with the above petroleum base.
So, Silogram is a *fraction* of the price I'd be paying for Travers/MSC/Grainger stuff. However, this will benefit only the people in a 50-100 mile radius of Bayonne NJ.
Now, I remember actually using this stuff in my buddy's shop in Brooklyn years ago, and I remember liking it better than some other stuff we wound up getting later on.
The "MW 150" spec sounds like a generic soluble oil spec. What does it mean? Heh, molecular weight??
What specs should one be looking for? Assuming one could afford those specs....
Mobil makes a Mobilcut 102, carried by McMaster, at $112/ 5 gal, a bit cheaper than Rustlick, et al, but not quite Chevron or Silogram.
I'm hoping that the "baseline" of soluble oils is a pretty standard formula, mebbe not the high-falutin best, but usable. Right now, Cheapness is next to Godliness, usability permitting.
Strange, Thomasnet.com lists few companies by me, actually just MSC!! They don't list Silogram or PrimeLube at all, and Silogram tells me dats cuz Thomas is effing *expensive*, thousands of dollars a year, so he stopped his listing, as he wasn't getting any hits. The point being, these types of companies are a bit hard to find.
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MW 150 = Malodorous Within 150 days.
LOL.
Or
[Aqueous solution of Koreox PAGs provides excellent lubricants and heat transfer agents for use in metal cutting and spinning processes. The fluid can be used alone or combined with other water soluble products, such as amine soaps, amides or phosphate esters. Many Koreox PAG fluids are less soluble in hot water than cold, and this property can be exploited to provide a most effective combined coolant and lubricant. [Base fluids] Koreox A Series A50, A150, A225, A1000 Koreox W series W200, W270, W18000, W55000 Koreox PRB series PRB 172, PRB 174 Koreox MW MW 150]
From - http://www.nhchemicals.com/product/e_division.asp
Also see
Viscosity Koreox PAGs provide the excellent Viscosity Index, often above 200. High viscosity index lubricants, such as KOREOX PAGs, protect better in operations with temperature variations. Lubricity Koreox PAGs are superior to mineral or refined oils in reducing friction. The outstanding friction-reducing ability keeps wear rate low which helps extended equipment lifetime. Pour Point Koreox PAGs generally have low pour points, permitting some grades to be used down to -50กษ. They are wax free and not affected by cooling to below their pour points. Stability Koreox PAGs have enhanced thermal and oxidative stability, which reduces the formation of sludge, corrosion, and deposits. Solubility Separation temperature is showed at higher temperature for KOREOX A and W series. This helps to explain their lubricity in water. Koreox PAGs are not soluble in mineral oils or hydrocarbon solvents. Effect on Metal Koreox PAGs are non-corrosive to iron, steel, bronze or aluminum under normal conditions and can be used without restriction in industrial systems. Inhibitors can be included to control corrosion where water is present. Effect on Rubber& Paints Koreox PAGs have little or no effect on most natural and synthetic rubbers, compounds, seals or gaskets. However, their unusual solvency can affect some paints, and two pack epoxy and phenolic paints are generally required.
So if you have Turcite lined ways, it might eat the epoxy that the Turcite is glued down with. Not good.
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Pretty sure he does...
( it's a box way Fadal IIRC )
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