Advice - Graduating without any Internships?

|> And that includes NOT wanting |> to move to the other side of the continent. | | That is *exactly* my point. If you (second person plural) would | rather whine than work, by all means stay where you are and whine. | The work is there, and I've been interviewing all over where people | have told me that there isn't any work. As I said, I'm not even | considering MA or CA (or anywhere close) so *I* am limiting my | possibilities by 90%.

Again, youa re not getting the point. I can tell that because your responses just don't match with what I am saying.

This is NOT about the lack of jobs local to where I am. I know that there will be fewer such jobs here.

What this *IS* about are the ****LIES**** from corporate executives who say there is a lack of people (talented, educated, trained, and/or experienced) in the USA when this is NOT TRUE AT ALL.

Basically I'm tired of the CORPORATIONS DOING THE WHINING!

If they _really_ wanted to get people to come work for them, they would do what it takes. The fact is in so many cases they would rather WHINE than hire. They _want_ to whine about it to Congress so they can get more and more legislative concessions.

Sure, they do hire Americans a lot. They can't do that entirely on imported or offshored labor. Some jobs have to be done in their locations, and for that, the importation has its limits (which they are trying to remove so they don't have to hire people like YOU to do the job you are qualified for, but want a pay level appropriate for someone expecting to live their life in this country).

When the corporations say that there are not enough people, they have LIED!

If they were to say there are not enough people willing to work at substandard pay levels, then that would be true. If they were to say that, then I could not call them liars.

If they were to say there are not enough people willing to migrate to locations where the corporations have their research labs, at the pay levels the offer, then that would be true. If they were to say that, then I could not call them liars.

But what they are saying is factually untrue. There ARE plenty of people in the USA right now in engineering and programming fields. That might not be true in the future if these corporations were to hire them. The number of people in this category really has dropped, so the FUTURE is risky. But this is a future of THEIR OWN MAKING because they have failed to provide the incentives for people to enter the engineering and programming fields (that being money for the most part ... but cool jobs count a lot, too).

| I'm not exactly turning over stones to find these jobs (Monster and | recently CareerBuilder, the latter is less useful, IMO). They're | calling me. Several I'm not qualified for and several I don't want | (primarily MA), but I'm almost back to three calls a day and perhaps | three phone interviews a week (one trip every other week).

CareerBuilder is a joke. I don't ever look there anymore.

|> |> There ARE talented, trained, and experience people available right here in |> |> the USA. The same goes for Europe. What companies need to do to get them |> |> to come on board is to make them an acceptable offer for a decent job. |> | |> | There *IS* work. If you can't find it, perhaps the problem you. I |> | don't seem to have problems scaring it up and none of it is |> | substandard salaries. Most I've interviewed with recently don't do |> | overtime either (one doesn't allow access on the weekends, under |> | ordinary circumstances). |> |> I'm not disputing this. But I am disputing THEIR claim that there is a lack |> of people available. That just isn't so. | | There seems to be. Again, they aren't paying chickenfeed and most | of the jobs I'm looking at come with relocation assistance. If there | were an abundance of people they wouldn't need to pay these | benefits. It perhaps isn't the best market ever, but it is *NOT* at | all bad.

Two things are true:

  1. There are plenty of people.
  2. There are plenty of jobs.

The issue is a disconnect between them. The people want the kinds of jobs employers do not want to offer.

So if someone say "there are no jobs", it would be untrue. But also, if someone say "there are no people", it, too, would be untrue. Yet employers say this.

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That's quite possible because you keep moving the goal posts.

It is *NOT A LIE*. There is a shortage of talented people.

...but have no problem being the biggest crybaby of them all. Grow up!

Jees. Don't you try to get every advantage you can? Don't you write your congresscritter? The fact is that there *is* a shortage of topnotch people and the situation is *not* improving.

You're full of shit.

Bullshit.

Absolute nonsense. You're the only liar here.

They cannot ge the people they need, where they need them. That is

*exactly* what they're saying. They *are* paying rather well and *STILL* can't get them.

Horse shit. Who's whining (about nonsense) now?

I've recently found that. Still, I've gotten a few leads from there.

There aren't plenty of *talented* and *skilled* people. There *are* plenty of jobs for the above.

Well, duh! People want to be paid megabux for sitting on their hands. Sorry, but business doesn't work that way.

They say it because they can't get the people they need. Which *IS* true. ...and they are paying quite well for those they can find.

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When people start making personal attacks, then I know they don't have any relevant responses (anymore). So it looks like this (sub)thread has ended.

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No, Phil. Just that you have nothing to stand on, other than your hate.

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On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 15:34:00 -0400 krw wrote: | In article , phil-news- | snipped-for-privacy@ipal.net says... |> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 18:32:20 -0400 krw wrote: |> |> [personal attacks snipped] |> |> When people start making personal attacks, then I know they don't have any |> relevant responses (anymore). So it looks like this (sub)thread has ended. | | No, Phil. Just that you have nothing to stand on, other than your | hate.

You mean my hatred of lies and other sins, and the big corporations that spout these lies and do other bad things? Seems like plenty to stand on to me.

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No, Phil. Hatred of business and anyone with what you haven't; typical leftist sort of hate.

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On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:12:48 -0400 krw wrote: | In article , snipped-for-privacy@ipal.net | says... |> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 15:34:00 -0400 krw wrote: |> | In article , phil-news- |> | snipped-for-privacy@ipal.net says... |> |> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 18:32:20 -0400 krw wrote: |> |> |> |> [personal attacks snipped] |> |> |> |> When people start making personal attacks, then I know they don't have any |> |> relevant responses (anymore). So it looks like this (sub)thread has ended. |> | |> | No, Phil. Just that you have nothing to stand on, other than your |> | hate. |> |> You mean my hatred of lies and other sins, and the big corporations that |> spout these lies and do other bad things? Seems like plenty to stand on |> to me. | | No, Phil. Hatred of business and anyone with what you haven't; | typical leftist sort of hate.

I have no idea what you are talking about. I have no hatred of business. Any thought like that is entirely in your imagination. Also, my politics seems be determined by your imagination as well. I have many left leaning and many right leaning, and many centrist political views. Just because you can't separate the good businesses from the bad businesses, do not assume that no one else can.

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You make it very clear, Phil, with football stadium sized brush strokes.

You may think you do.

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krw

On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 18:09:57 -0400 krw wrote: | In article , snipped-for-privacy@ipal.net | says... |> On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:12:48 -0400 krw wrote: |> | In article , snipped-for-privacy@ipal.net |> | says... |> |> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 15:34:00 -0400 krw wrote: |> |> | In article , phil-news- |> |> | snipped-for-privacy@ipal.net says... |> |> |> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 18:32:20 -0400 krw wrote: |> |> |> |> |> |> [personal attacks snipped] |> |> |> |> |> |> When people start making personal attacks, then I know they don't have any |> |> |> relevant responses (anymore). So it looks like this (sub)thread has ended. |> |> | |> |> | No, Phil. Just that you have nothing to stand on, other than your |> |> | hate. |> |> |> |> You mean my hatred of lies and other sins, and the big corporations that |> |> spout these lies and do other bad things? Seems like plenty to stand on |> |> to me. |> | |> | No, Phil. Hatred of business and anyone with what you haven't; |> | typical leftist sort of hate. |> |> I have no idea what you are talking about. I have no hatred of business. |> Any thought like that is entirely in your imagination. Also, my politics |> seems be determined by your imagination as well. | | You make it very clear, Phil, with football stadium sized brush | strokes.

Oh yes, very clear ... that you like to falsely portray people in ways that make it easier to make personal attacks. Making personal attacks is one thing. But being too lazy to, or even just not being able to, make these personal attacks on people in relation to the truth, you have to make up some untruths that make the attacks easier, or simpler, for you.

|> I have many left leaning |> and many right leaning, and many centrist political views. Just because |> you can't separate the good businesses from the bad businesses, do not |> assume that no one else can. | | You may think you do.

If you think you can separate the good businesses from the bad businesses, go right ahead.

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Lying again, eh Phil?

I can, though perhaps not from a distance. OTOH, you accuse them

*all* of being corrupt. You just proved my point. Give it up Phyllis Jr.
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