Electrical conductivity in steel wire ?

Apr 26, 2008 24 Replies

K=95.8 circular mil ohms per foot. It is the resistance of a conductor 0.001 inch in diameter one foot long at 20 degrees C in this case. L=1640 is one way circuit length in feet CMA=16512 is the circular mil area of the No. 8 steel wire that is the diameter in thousandths of an inch squared I is amperes VD is voltage drop VD=2KLI/CMA is a standard formual for finding voltage drop for 60 hertz single phase or Direct Current This is the standard formula used by electricians to find voltage drop for the last 50 years or so.. We multiply VD by 0.866 for three phase three wire and by 0.5 for three phase four wire If you use 24 volts the NEC rules apply and bare conductors cannot be used, but by using the electric fence model the NEC rules do not apply.

-------------------- Thanks for the definition of terms. I have not used the "standard formula" and generally use metric so I simply go back to basics: Resistance =resistivity*length/area for conductors and the rest follows. This is, as I suspected, part of the basis for your standard formula but I wanted to be sure as I suspect any "formula" until I see the basis for it. The remaining part consists of assumptions of unity pf and negligable inductance- both reasonable in commercial and domestic applications as well as some industrial applications. They are reasonable in this case as well-given negligable transformer impedances (and exciting currents) which may not be the case.

However the reason for your proposal is to get around NEC rules Fair enough. It is a situation that code doesn't cover or prohibits (whether, in a specific case such as this, the code is an ass is another matter ).

Basically, a 24V scheme will work. Will it violate code? Yes. Will it work better than a HV system- I think so. Will it be safer? Maybe, maybe not- but it can be, in spite of the code.

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In our local paper someone stole a 3500 foot spool of No. 4 copper wire that was worth $8500. No wonder people want to use steel fence wire. On the KLI/CMA this is the method used by the Neher McGrath paper to find DC resistance. Multipliers are used to convert to AC resistance or impedance. The paper was written in 1957 using feet and not meters. K for steel at 20 degrees C is 95.8 ohms per foot. To find the resistance at other temperatures the inferred temperature at zero resistance is required and the point slope equation is used to find the equation of the straight line. This is not entirely correct because the actual measured values of resistance are slightly off the straight line, but for most field applications it is good enough. Th N-M paper in PDF format is at:

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In our local paper someone stole a 3500 foot spool of No. 4 copper wire that was worth $8500. No wonder people want to use steel fence wire. On the KLI/CMA this is the method used by the Neher McGrath paper to find DC resistance. Multipliers are used to convert to AC resistance or impedance. The paper was written in 1957 using feet and not meters. K for steel at 20 degrees C is 95.8 ohms per foot. To find the resistance at other temperatures the inferred temperature at zero resistance is required and the point slope equation is used to find the equation of the straight line. This is not entirely correct because the actual measured values of resistance are slightly off the straight line, but for most field applications it is good enough. Th N-M paper in PDF format is at:

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I have no problem with the calculator per se. You have clarified the terms satisfactorily. It is based on knowledge that dates back to at least the time of Ohm (well before 1900). The 1957 reference apparently uses an older cookbook expression as part of dealing with ampacities of underground cables.-Unfortunately, I could not bring up the reference from your site but it is an AIEE paper dealing with ampacities of underground cables- a much more complex problem than simply finding resistance and voltage drops which can be found in any decent introductory circuits text. The resistance/ temperature relationship has also been around for a long time. Actual measured data do have errors which cause wobbles in the curve so least squares fitting is used.

The AC corrections do depend on frequency and wire size and the typical corrections for copper wire will be incorrect for iron wire (and for closely wound coils) because of enhanced magnetic effects leading to what is called "skin effect" (Rudenberg tackled this messy problem about 80 years ago (+/-)) .

Skin depth has the same functional, dependence upon permeability as it does for frequency or conductivity.

Bill

| In our local paper someone stole a 3500 foot spool of No. 4 copper | wire that was worth $8500. No wonder people want to use steel fence | wire.

Do we see a pattern here?

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