Car key adventure

Long winded story which seemed interesting and puzzling while it was going on.

I recently received a '96 Chrysler LHS shipped to me by auto transport. It came with a copied key on an Axxess blank, which has only the number

17 on it. That key functioned very smoothly in ignition, trunk, and doors. I wanted some spare keys. I took it to a local locksmith kiosk which made numerous efforts to copy the 'original' copy onto a Curtis Y155 blank, which also sez 'for Chrysler products'. These tries were made by the assistant, since the locksmith himself was out on a call.

Those efforts produced a key which appeared to be identical to the Axxess blank key, but the resultant key would not function in the trunk, but did in the ignition and doors. The assistant made a number of attempts and recuts and brushing and used alternative blanks out of different boxes and was eventually successful in producing one key which worked the trunk as well, but gave up trying to produce a second key and wasting a number of blanks and repeated efforts.

The next day while at a local WalMart I tried to get another key made by the staff with their 'automated' machine, which was attempted on a WalMart Axxess blank. The automated WalMart machine works by putting the original into one slot and the blank into the other, and the machine does all of the 'work' for both edges of the double sided key. Unfortunately, that result was visibly unacceptable, apparently because of something wrong with part of the machine's cutting and its key wouldn't work anywhere. That is, one side of one edge was incompletely cut by the WalMart doublesided cutting tool. Attempts to turn the key over to 'finish' the cut didn't produce a satisfactory result either.

So then I went to a different locksmith store which had 3 locksmith employees present, presumably 2 or more of whom were 'real' or licensed locksmiths.

The first and I presume least experienced employee worked on the problem with the same kind of result as the first kiosk locksmith above. Those repeated efforts caused the most senior locksmith to become interested in the dilemma, but no trunk working key was being produced.

When the third locksmith got involved, he wanted to know what kind of car this was for, checked a book, and said the cut [or the key?] was like that for the 91-93 Chryslers, and that 'we' should be using an Ilco P1794 Y157 blank. That Ilco blank looks distinctly different from the above mentioned blanks, as it has a significantly narrower center groove, whereas the Axxess and Curtis blanks center grooves were quite wide.

Cutting the Ilco blank off the Axxess 'original' immediately produced a key which worked for all locks, including the trunk. The third locksmith was puzzled over how the working Axxess blank had been made to work by whoever had cut it. Of course or however, the first locksmith assistant in the kiosk had also been able to /eventually/ get one Curtis wide grooved blank to work as well.

I'm currently presuming the Ilco is the 'proper' blank and that the 'original' I was working with which worked just fine was *not* the proper blank. I found the whole experience to be rather frustrating for the locksmiths involved, considering how 'trivial' the job of copying a key would have been assumed to be. I guess that in this case someone in the past made a wrong decision on making a copy and had gotten away with it, until it came time for me to get a copy of that copy.

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Mike Easter
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I was impressed with one locksmith. Wanted an extra automotive key made. He put the number in his code computer and originated it on the code machine - no mucking around with duplicating with attendant risks.

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Peter

Probably what happened was, the Axcess y155 (17) is a botch blank made to replace several other blanks. The y155 is a valet key that works only the doors and ign (a valet key). And also the shape of the tip of the key makes a difference. y157/y159 has a bigger slope to the tip of the key than the y155/y154 keys do, so it probably was not entering all the locks far enough acting as the valet is meant to do.

Steve

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Steve

So, does that mean that my layman's 'interest' in the distinctly different centergroove is misguided?

To look at the various keys I've described, what is most striking and noticeable is that the Ilco has a much narrower and shorter center groove, whereas the Axxess and Curtis have very wide center grooves which also extend back almost as far as the 'edge groove' or thinness of the thin side of each edge.

The Ilco's center groove does not extend back that far, and the Ilco's edge thinness side also doesn't extend back as far as the Curtis and Axcess.

The business about the tip shape and what I can see with a big magnifying glass about the edge cuts on both sides all seem to be identical.

The only thing that makes the tip look different to me between the types is the fact that the center groove is so wide on the Curtis and Axxess that it affects the appearance of the tip. That is, their center groove is wider than near the end of the tip. That big centergroove is about

3.5 mm wide, so by the time you get back 3 mm from the tip, the center groove is wider than the key tip, making a thin tip, from side to side, not edge to edge.

As opposed to the Ilco, whose sides of the center groove extend all the way to the tip.

Reply to
Mike Easter

I, for one, am willing to pay more for a newly-generated original than for a dupe.

Reply to
Joe Kesselman

One thing I do if I can is take a look in the ignition keyway. For Y155, the key buzzer actuator is rectangular shaped-you will see it protruding into the keyway on the right side. The actuator "rides" the large rectangular milling.

Actuators for Y154 will be triangle shaped. It rides the small V-milling.

1793V = Valet for Y155 center milling is filled up.

Want keys for a mopar-don't show me any keys- I will get the book-LOL

goma.

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goma865

Anytime I see an Axxess blank I get the reference book out and ask the customer the vehicle make, model, and year.

I've seen way too many Axxess keys cut on the wrong blank, thank you very much Wal-Mart and Home Depot.

Reminds me of a time I was at a Home Depot because I ran out of Russwin blanks.

I asked the bone-head at the key counter if they had any Russwin blanks and he said they only had Schlage and Kwikset.

I asked what all the keys on the rack and in the boxes were for then.

He refused to answer and left the kiosk after I gave him a hard time about it.

Finally found the manager and told him I needed 2 blanks and asked him to find them because the bone-head was being tough about it.

He went back there, and it was obvious he didn't know how to find them, but I showed him the shape of the key and told him it would be either this blank, or that blank. He got them both and I had my blanks on the

2nd try.

I guess that's good for us. In a way. Sucks when it's cut on the wrong blank and we have to fix their mistake.

Sunshine Locksmith Team

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SunshineTeam.net

What's the price difference? I never thought to ask.

Reply to
clifto

I have seen many dozen times when that would have been well worth it.

Reply to
clifto

agree... that is the fix for many key problems...

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