Inpenatrable Safes?

Bob:

Without going into detials it seems as if Blaze just assumes that everyone who will read his paper already knows (or has reference materials) on where and how to drill the container in order to open it if they can not successfully manipulate the lock...

Being able to fool with a lock mounted on a polycarbonate display stand with the back cover taken off is a lot easier to do than attempting to try one sealed inside a locked safe container... Even I know this and I have a somewhat limited understanding of safes at this point in time...

Isn't a "safe" only supposed to keep unwanted people out for a certain pre-determined time (container rating)??? The "safe" surrounds the valuable items and like you said slows the unauthorized individuals attempting access way down, and increases the likelihood that they will have to make a certain amount of noise thereby reducing the chances that they will be able to make entry to the safe without being detected...

As far as designing a safe that could be "impenetrable" I don't think that the safe alone should be all that is considered...

The same safe when placed out on a concrete slab where it is accessible to anyone who walks by would be less effective at keeping the contents secure than that same safe kept in a locked room with reinforced walls and a proper door...

Target hardening... Isn't that what security is all about ???

Using just a safe to secure valuables isn't the best way to ensure the valuables stay where you put them... A safe used in conjuction with some kind of security plan is what is required...

Evan, ~~formerly a maintenance man, now a college student with a 3.85 GPA

look at "jewelers rated' european safes.. trtl6, and an absolute BEAR to open..

then, look at the price tag. can those be sold to the average home owner? no (even tho I DID see a person one time that COULD have used one) --Shiva--

Blaze seems to think mechanical locks are bad, and electronic locks are good. I suppose each has their place, but when the electronis locks die they do it suddenly and you are locked out. Therein lies the problem.

This is kind of like perpetual motion or universal solvent. It does not exist. anything that can be fabricated can be de-fabricated. It all boils down to three elements; Time, Force, and Technology.

I must say I have went to high dollar stores to replace batteries to make their first line of defense work again.

They were suprised. "I didn't know that needed batteries!!!!!

Well that is not so bad, but I saw a lot of lockouts with no reason other than just a sudden failure. Mechanical locks are kind of like brakes on a car they usually give you warning before they fail.

Why not? They can be sold to anyone that will pay for them.

I think you've just answered your question: The average homeowner won't pay. And I would add "should they be marketed to the average homeowner", and answer "probably not; it isn't the right solution for their needs".