Anyone know of a way to remove a keyed Schlage F knob without rotating
the key before depressing the retainer? It's unlocked.
Key's broken off deeeep inside and I don't think it's being removed
unless I can get the core out and push it out the back. I've heard
there's a way to push the retainer on these without turning the key
(obviously impossible here), but I don't know the details.
Thanks much,
- Brandon
You'd have to disassemble the lock from the inside out. Almost
impossible because the lock is stamped together, and I've never
personally even attempted to do this.
Also, the key will not push out the back of the cylinder because the
back is filled in solid.
Your best bet would be to take a pair of pliers and rip the face of the
lock to extract the cylinder. Then take a new (or used) knob to replace
the destroyed knob.
Sunshine Locksmith Team
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Anyone know of a way to remove a keyed Schlage F knob without rotating
> the key before depressing the retainer? It's unlocked.
>
> Key's broken off deeeep inside and I don't think it's being removed
> unless I can get the core out and push it out the back. I've heard
> there's a way to push the retainer on these without turning the key
> (obviously impossible here), but I don't know the details.
>
> Thanks much,
>
> - Brandon
>
I actually have viewed the cylinders in this building and know that
they are not capped on the rear, which is why this came up. Killing the
knob is an option but it'd be nice to avoid it...
F cylinders ARE capped..
A and D are NOT.
there is a way to get an F off, BUT. takes tools..
destroy the knob and put on a new one-they are cheap..
A and D MUST be disassembled from the back, due to quality of
construction AND cost.. to me, its a 10 minute job..
--Shiva--
Not sure what to say -- as I said I've cracked several other knobs in
this same system, identical models, and seen that the plugs are indeed
open. Maybe they've done some part mixing. Only other possibility would
seem that it's not actually an F, which would make the stamp a liar.
I'll see about availability for replacement knobs.
I take part of that back.
I just did a Schlage F lever. Athough the back was solid, on the lever
the "tailpiece" is held on with the screw cap and pin retainer.
So, if it's a lever, I can see how you can push the key out the back.
But I don't recall ever a factory original knob lock cylinder with a
hollow back.
Sunshine Locksmith Team
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Not sure what to say -- as I said I've cracked several other knobs in
> this same system, identical models, and seen that the plugs are indeed
> open. Maybe they've done some part mixing. Only other possibility would
> seem that it's not actually an F, which would make the stamp a liar. >
> I'll see about availability for replacement knobs.
>
I may not have been clear. The backs on these are "solid" in the sense
that they're covered by the tailpiece. But that's easily removable, of
course, so if I can get out the cylinder there's no reason that I can't
unscrew the cap and clear it up.
This setup was certainly not installed out-of-the-box (it's a master
system encompassing several buildings), and I suspect it was handled,
at least at some point, by the in-house maintenance crew, so it's very
plausible that the hardware has been swapped around or fiddled with a
bit.
Make yourself a little helper. Cut a blank with a lengthwise notch ao the
top of the blade will retain the pins and give room for your extractor to
work.
Since you apperently have the ability to take the lock off the door you
might also try this. Assuming the correct key is the one broken off the tip
is holding the proper pins at shearline. This leaves the pins closest to
the hole in the front of the cylinder that need to be picked.
the F locksets I have seen, have NO tail piece.. there is a
'hole' in the plug where a tail piece rides in.. but you cannot
unscrew the back on them and remove.. S, I believe you can, and
A and D certainly..
now if the new style with the spring loaded cap is different, I
have not seen but one of them so far..
--Shiva--
Not the correct key? Then a little trickier but still it should be
extractable, especially if you have the knob in hand.
Also you might want to do a cost/benifit calculation value of your time vs.
new F lock. Customer might be better off buying a new one.
If this were an actual callout I probably would have facilitated a much
simpler solution on the spot. I'm taking care of this is a favor to the
maintenance folks at this site, which is a place I frequent anyway, and
it's not a critical door, so I've been handling it kind of leisurely
and seeing if I could do it without having to order replacement
hardware, which would be a bother. (I don't carry these.)
It's six-pin, by the way... and getting the knob off is the whole
purpose of this exercise. At least one of the cuts on this key seems
like a 0 or 1, and working it past the pins with room for the extractor
has defeated me.
I've spoken with one guy who says he knows a way to get these off
without turning the tailpiece -- I'm going to get some more info from
him soon.
PERSONALLY, NEVER seen a 6 pin F
perhaps the brand new ones are.. but the older were not..
a GENUINE F can be removed.. semi easily.. an A cannot be by the
same method.
--Shiva--
You're starting to make me wonder if these are actually F's, Shiva. My
experience with identifying Schlage hardware is limited; do you know of
a way to categorically distinguish these from any alternative models?
I snapped a few pictures today. Beware of crummy photography.
thats not an F.. its a VERY (IMO) OLD Schlage..
the local school threw a bunch of them out recently..
if you take them apart there is IIRR a ball bearing holding the
handle on, must be turned a certain way to get the knob off..
and these WERE 6 pin cylinders.
Some even had Sargent cylinders in them.
--Shiva--
Nah, these just disassemble in the same way I'm accustomed to --
turning the key 90 degrees, sticking something into the hole in the
side to press the retainer, and pulling off the knob. Knob then comes
into two pieces and the cylinder is free. Nothing outlandish.
- Brandon
If the question is still, "how to take apart without the key", it's
easy. Just disassemble from the back. It takes 3 or 4 minutes to take
apart, remove the cylinder, and put the pieces back together.
That's assuming these are A series. From the photo, that's what they
look like.
Could be a heavier series still though.
Gilles Deacur
Sunshine Locksmith Team
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Nah, these just disassemble in the same way I'm accustomed to --
> turning the key 90 degrees, sticking something into the hole in the
> side to press the retainer, and pulling off the knob. Knob then comes
> into two pieces and the cylinder is free. Nothing outlandish.
>
> - Brandon
>
NEW type Schlage got round covers..those I am thinking are
20-30+ years old.
At least the school Maintenance man was thinking that when we
replaced the several he had.
--Shiva--
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