Who here is a REAL locksmith?

John Middleman, CRL

1. Like many trades, you will encounter various levels of expertise and specialization.
2. Basic locksmith supplies? Like someone in the UK asking American or Australian NG readers, and then complaining about the prices and shipping.
3. Medeco refills for individual pin sizes, can you find part numbers for individual pin sizes? I order most of my stuff through Clark Security, they do not list individual Medeco pins. Mayflower has them, but you need to call to order by type and size (pricey).
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   They are not even in the LAB catalog...
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I'll be the first to admit not being born into this world already knowing everything about everything.

Please feel free to show us all how it is done. You are always welcome to offer constructive responses, help those in need, and educate us all.

Quack!

You can get medeco pins from

ORDER DIRECT FROM MEDECO, WHICH ANY PROFESSIONAL LOCKSMITH WOULD DO... JUST PLACE THE ORDER FOR WHAT YOU NEED AND PUT IT ON "KEY'S ACCOUNT". I'M SURE HE HAS A R-2-R RATING WITH D&B AND HAS A OPEN ACCOUNT WHIT MEDECO AND HE COULD AFFORD ANY THING THAT YOU WANTED ....

TECHNO SAFE NUT

Just make sure you don't call Chris Young's Lock Shop in NY state or this is what you'll get:

From: "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-& snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com Subject: Re: anyone have experience Message-ID: <45933a7c$1$16947$ snipped-for-privacy@roadrunner.com

"I did a MK in a factory where someone had filed and ground the plugs. I ended up making a 4-step, and even then I could jiggle a couple of the keys to get em to work in different doors. I hope they never find out."

Says one of the f***in guys cryin cause he couldn't get in the wicki site.

WTF would anybody do that? You just like payin extra?

Maybe 30% of em. Maybe less.

LOL, I chose NOT to give the level of info they wanted, what do they offer beyond other established resources huh? Should I feel deprived or something?

NOT!

This is bullshit and you know it. It doesnt take any more info to get on the wicki site than CS TNL IL or any other f****ng thing like them. You just couldnt get in. You dont have to be a locksmith to get on any of 'em but you couldnt even con anybody into thinking you were.

took a name and a certain number for me to get into Clearstar site., FAR less info than Wicki wants.

--Shiva--

You gave em your SAVTA # and what did you have to give SAVTA to get that? Yea just as f****ng much as youd have to give the wicki guy. He just couldn't get in.

Wrongo Mary Lou!

I was not willing to give "some guy with a web site" that much personal info. If you are then OK with sharing that much info, fine that's your choice.

Stop comparing reputable organizations such as CS with some unendorsed Wiki page in progress.

I feel no personal loss and the weekly topic emails are filtered, until someone replies to it.

SAVTA = Wiki?

Huh?

yeah..ROFL on that too.

--Shiva--

You can spin all you want little boy. I never "compared" the two except to say it takes just as much f***in info to join SAVTA as it does the wicki site. If you wont give shit like your name, your address, and your business name, you just arent for real, or your a no balls little bitch afraid of his own shadow. Your no more a locksmith than I am. The difference is I've been on numerous "secure" (LMFAO) sites. At one f***in time I was on 3 of em at once till I semi retired and wasn't lookin for that much info anymore. Now I'm on only one and I have a shit load of books, CDs, photos and notes, that covers most of whats out there anyway so if I need info on one of the few safes I dont have off one of the secure sites I just trade for it or buy it from a bud of mine who pays the fees anyway. And yea hes one of your secret squirrel buddies, license and all, who would sell the blueprints to Fort knox for a few bucks.

Go back to grade school and learn to f***in read.

Pal I've read your shit and I don't even think English is your first language so Im not real surprised that you couldnt figure it out. Now be a good little boy and quote WTF I said SAVTA = Wicki. Dont overload your little brain lookin.

Oh I'm spinning, quack! Sorry you missed the point again, and that you chose a character attack as your rebuttal platform.

Some unknown comes up with a wiki site that's free, you just need to give him a whole bunch of personal info to verify who you are. Enough info to open a line of credit...

You indicated it was not a big deal, he is not asking for more info than ClearStar, The National Locksmith of Internet Locksmith ask for.

THE POINT I was trying to make, is that Mr. Wiki is unknown and not endorsed, the companies you compared against (for giving a significant amount of personal info) are known industry organizations or publishers.

As I said, if you want to give some unknown guy that much info, fine, power to you. I decline to do so, and feel no loss for my choice.

Lets see what happens in 6 months or so, I'm in no hurry!

Hey, have a nice day pal.