Can one breathe industrial oxygen

Just one thing about carrying. If you show it, you damned well better be willing to use it. You armed, punk not = deterrence. You armed, punk armed = escalation. One or the other or both is going to get shot.

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clare
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Absolutely. Why else would you even carry one?

Usually true, even if there are multiple punks.

Not necessarily. Some want easy prey and will run without a shot fired. It's only the really hard cases who escalate.

-- A paranoid is someone who knows a little of what's going on. -- William S. Burroughs

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Larry Jaques

Yeah.

In fact Texas CHL says exactly that.

If the situation is serious enough to pull it out, it's serious enough to shoot.

Same for warning shots. Don't do it.

Same for WOUNDING shots. Don't do it.

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CaveLamb

If you are in jeopardy (fear for your life) to the point that pulling you piece out is necessary - you are already dealing with hard cases...

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CaveLamb

CNN I believe had a story in the past month, I think from FL, where a guy leaving a restaurant had three guys try to rob him at gunpoint. The would be victim shot one of the perps and the other two ran like hell.

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Pete C.

And just where would you ever find 12 of them? ...lew...

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Lewis Hartswick

Also unfortunately, there are no statistics on the number of crimes prevented by personal self-defense, because, since the crime wasn't committed, there's nothing to report!

Thanks, Rich

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Rich Grise

You find plenty of them in every pool of potential jurors, but the corrupt system is designed to eliminate them from the final jury selection.

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Pete C.

Not on this group!!!!!

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clare

ANY acetelene in an oxygen tank would quickly become EXTREMELY unstable. Like "BOOM!!!!"

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clare

Well, it's the best one for making oxides, yes. As far as an "oxidizing agent," chemistry-class-wise, I think the best (most electronegative, or maybe most electropositive, I forget which) is fluorine, but it's nasty stuff in any case.

Cheers! Rich

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Rich Grise

I watch the morning news to see what the weather prediction is for the day . And because the traffic report chick is a hottie . I was gonna say don't tell my wife , but I suspect she already knows .

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Snag

Speaking of which, are you certain that five exclamation points are enough?

-- A paranoid is someone who knows a little of what's going on. -- William S. Burroughs

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Larry Jaques

Some people have launched a lot of cylinders ... eg, per a post near the end of

"I saw a bunch of ironworkers taking large oxygen cylinders and putting them on a homemade ramp with the valve on the lower part of the ramp, they'd use a sledge hammer to break off the valve and the tanks would fly over the detroit river towards Canada. If you break off the valve, it can blow through concrete walls in a house, through the roof, etc. it is very dangerous!." and in 1/3 along, "As the final work was being done on the dam there was a large cache of oxygen and acetylene cylinders(200+) kept in a fenced area near the guard house. Inventory began to show a shortage of 5 or 6 cylinders a day. After a lot of finger pointing and investigation the contractor secretly setup a guard to watch the guard. They discovered that, in his late night boredom, the security guard would unlock the gated storage and roll several full oxygen cylinders down to the edge of the partially filled lake. He'd point the base of the cylinder towards the center of the lake and with a sledge hammer break the valve off. The cylinder would rocket across the surface for several hundred yards then sink. After they arrested the guard they dredghed the lake to find over 300 cylinders. The cylinder supplier was surprised that the guard had been lucky enough to never have an unguided cylinder come back his way."

Following link is completely unrelated to the above topic, but is vaguely related to the original question about "breathing industrial oxygen." Anyhow, in at a couple of points a large tank of liquid oxygen shows up, although mis-identified as nitrogen in one caption. Liquid oxygen is a not-breathable form of industrial oxygen. (There's some metalwork at the link; see eg pictures with captions, "Davis is polishing the LIMA 34's main sheave axle.", "Davis took a solid piece of bronze stock and made the new sheave bearings.", "Bill Fay is using thermite bars to burn the 3 inch thick cast iron head covers at Livermore Falls" via liquid oxygen + acetylene + thermite.)

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James Waldby

I watch Fox. >:->

Cheers! Rich

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Rich Grise

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

;-) Rich

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Rich Grise

The news, the president, or the president on the news?

-- Threee days before Tucson, Howard Dean explained that the tea party movement is "the last gasp of the generation that has trouble with diversity." Rising to the challenge of lowering his reputation and the tone of public discourse, Dean smeared tea partiers as racists: They oppose Obama's agenda, Obama is African-American, ergo...

Let us hope that Dean is the last gasp of the generation of liberals whose default position in any argument is to indict opponents as racists. This McCarthyism of the left

-- devoid of intellectual content, unsupported by data -- is a mental tic, not an idea but a tactic for avoiding engagement with ideas. It expresses limitless contempt for the American people, who have reciprocated by reducing liberalism to its current characteristics of electoral weakness and bad sociology. --George Will 14 JAN 2011 Article titled "Tragedies often spark plenty of analysis"

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Larry Jaques

Go ride your bike up above 7000' or so. You will definitely feel it. After sufficient training at that elevation, you won't even notice it. No smoke necessary.

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Steve Ackman

Thanks, but I'm not about to pedal my bike uphill that far. I'm in Whittier, at an elevation of about - oh, crap, I'd have to look it up, but it can't be more than a few hundred feet - heck, the highest point in Hennepin county, Minnesota (Minneapolis and suburbs) is only about a thousand feet or so.

It just hit me - Seven Thousand Feet? Are you insane?

I'm no mountain climber! Denver is only a mile high!

When you go mountain-climbing and need to call for rescue, do you pay the bill, or do you expect the taxpayers to subsidize your stupidity?

Thanks! Rich

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Rich Grise

No need to actually pedal thousands of feet of elevation to ride at elevation.

When we lived near Bemidji, ISTR the elevation was ~1300' so I'd say It just hit me - Seven Thousand Feet? Are you insane?

Not at all.

Right. Key word being "only." I presently live in a valley at 5540', have lived at 6100' and the nearest restaurant, for example, is at 7105'. I've yet to ride up the hill beyond 6000' or so but the whole elevation thing was intended as a mental exercise about how your lungs acclimate to reduced oxygen content, i.e. a response to how living in the lowlands makes your lungs "lazy" as you say with all that extra oxygen.

Without getting into an IQ pissing contest -- other than to admit to qualification for mensa -- or who advocates the purest form of libertarianism, let's just say that my stupidity expects no subsidy.

Last time I was "mountain climbing," it was in a 4wd truck. I did have air in the spare, plenty to drink, GPS, full tank of fuel, and warm clothing, among other things, though unfortunately a camera wasn't one of them as the "climb" was kind of spur of the moment. Rest assured, I wouldn't have undertaken it without all the above. Saw some things that even few Apache rez-idents have ever seen, never mind the general population. Actually did end up with two flat tires. One needed changing out with the spare while the other was a slow enough leak that slime plugged it up. Had more tires gone flat, I was never more than 25 miles or so from the nearest road.

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Steve Ackman

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