Because it often means LESS money. If you can get the same job done, with less money, then overkill is overspending. How does that help?
Of course there is a time and a place for bigger, better equipment, but not every job calls for it.
As I noted in my other post, the DeWalt model has a 90 day money back guarantee per the DeWalt site. At worst you risk some tax and shipping cost.
Pete C.
Generally, yes.
You too?
When they have to pay for it and it cuts profits. When you get a "steal" at an auction or whatnot and the overkill unit doesn't take up half the square footage of your shop it's a different matter.
Pete C.
I have a question that's of practical nature. I recently brought home a Pistorius Model C "wet saw". That's an abrasive saw with a 14" wheel that is flood coolant cooled, and works kind of like a miter saw, there is a miter to push "work".
It has a 3/4 HP motor.
Is that saw at all suitable for metal cutting (with its meager
3/4 horsepower), or is it only good for glass cutting and such.Anyway, my plan for tonight is to put a 1 HP single phase motor on it instead of a factory 3/4HP 3 phase motor. I hope that it works out. I also need to rewire the control xfmr from 480 primary to 240 primary.
i
Don't know anything about it. What speed does it run at? What is the spec on the abrasive wheel? If it was 3 phase 480V I would expect it is a pretty beefy unit despite the seemingly low HP.
Pete C.
I am not yet sure about the speed, I would guess 2k RPM. (looking at pulleys)
I am pretty much done working on this cutoff saw. The 1 HP motor that I had did not fit because it had wrong rotation.
The saw has a 3/4 HP, dual voltage three phase motor. I rewired it from 480 volts to 240 volts, and rewired the control transformer as well. (thanks to rewiring instructions posted by Eric Snow a while ago).
This saw is not direct drive, it is a belt drive. There is also a coolant pump. Because of belt drive it is, in fact, very quiet, you can easily have a conversation with the blade running.
There is a tub for coolant and the pump is in the tub. You can position spouts so that they put coolant to the cut area.
Pictures and a short video can be seen here.
I guess I need to drain water from the tub now.
i
Oops, I think that it is 1k.
i
I do overkill a lot. Mainly because I have done underkill and it is expensive. Underkill is when you just buy enough machine to get you by, then outgrow it, or start doing more work with it than you intended, and it burns out or won't perform.
Then you're down at the Tool Shed again, buying what you should have bought the first time.
Overbuying on a good cold saw is serious, though. Talking $3k, less for used, but a lot for a saw.
But, if you have ever used a cold saw, and don't even have to deburr the piece, can get a very accurate miter cut with no blade deflection, and don't wake the neighbors up who live down the block, you can see how it would be easy to spring for one.
Plus, it's a lifetime deal. One would last longer than you would, probably, and amortized, would be reasonably priced.
It depends a lot on what kind of work you do, how much of it you do, and the accuracy required.
One size don't fit all.
And I'd rather buy more than I need than to have to go buy the right one any time soon.
Steve
I agree with this philosophy, as soon as my $0.99 chop saw dies, I will make or buy something very nice (likely used).
i
When I was in business, my purchases of equipment was often to fill a need that was already there, or an order that had already been placed.
So, to go buy an item that was ready to hit the ground and perform was far better than to take time and make something. The loss of time was just not worth it. Now that I have more time, though, I do spend a lot of time playing around and making "stuff".
Time is money sometimes.
Steve
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 20:52:45 -0600, with neither quill nor qualm, Ignoramus9260 quickly quoth:
Very Nice(?) "Project" For Sale: 1 used/dead chop saw. Chiwanese version. Needs 1 brush (the other one was evidently loose and overheated) and probably some commutator cleanup. Used once. Bought via eBay for $60 or so. Nearly new 14" abrasive disk/tools included.
$20 plus shipping in original box.
"Profit"?
What language do you guys speak, anyway?
What possible fun is it to live a life where your tool buying is ruled by sensible things like "profit", "overkill", and "saving money" ?
Seriously, I have never regretted buying too much tool- I always find a job for it, and usually a paying one.
I have stretched the wallet again and again to buy a very expensive tool, and then found it made me a lot more money in the end- in many cases jobbing something out, and paying shop time to a big shop costs as much as buying the tool outright.
Then again, I buy cars that are fun to drive, even if they cost more than that brown K car for only $500.
Life is short, I am gonna have fun while I am here.
z>>> then outgrow it, or start doing more work with it than you intended, and it
Sounds nice. As strange as it sounds, I bought mine new for $0.99 plus modest shipping, on eBay.
i"Ignoramus12411" wrote
Good for you. How many hours does it have on it?
I tend towards reliability. I like to just go out and pull out the tool and feel that it is going to work and do the job I need to get done. I don't get that feeling a lot from cheap tools.
Yet, I have owned cheap tools, and good tools that I had bought cheaply that did fine. But, then, as Ries states, I have never ONCE regretted paying for good tools.
You seem to be the McGyver type, and an asset to any shop, pulling victory from the jaws of defeat daily. A Git-R-Done type of guy who's solution oriented and working on the problem while the intellectuals are just getting into their second cup of coffee. But, there's times when one just needs performance and reliability and productivity and there's not time to invent an answer. And the profit greatly outweighs the cost.
Steve
Maybe two hours of actual cutting. I cut quite a few things on it, including big things. Already had to readjust brushes.
I think that chop saws specifically might be not as different if one compares a $30 chop saw with a $120 chop saw, they often seem to have been made from the same stampings. (I checked).
Otherwise, I agree in general.
I agree. Related to plasma, and to "real machines", I am going to try my hands on a Hypertherm MAX 100 cutter, it has a 80% duty cycle at
100 amps. And I paid real money for it too, one grand to be exact. Do not have it at home yet. My electric circuit cannot possibly deliver this much power (nor do I need 100A of cutting arc), but I like the fact that it is built for serious work. i
That logic works fine for any single purchase.... so long as you only need one item. In this case, if one's budget is $3000, he could have a nice cold saw, *or* the combination of a Dewalt dry-cut, an abrasive saw, a 4X6, a 3 in 1, a 12" shear, a stationary belt sander, a narrow belt sander, an air compressor, an assortment of die grinders, a couple of 4" side grinders and a 9", a hacksaw and files, and a wide assortment of blades, discs,burrs, etc. If one already has all that stuff, then by all means get a cold saw, and an ironworker and....
Wayne
Sounds like a ceramic tile saw.
Gunner
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You might take the time to check out the Jet Tools outlet store on west valley highway in Auburn. Last time I was there (been a while) they had a bunch of 9" wilton cold saws for about a grand each.
Might be too small for you but at least worth looking at if you are down that way anyway.
If you come across a bargain for 2, let me know :) I'd love one myself but most people hate being paid in pennies.
Koz
Just be careful that the corroded front cross member doesn't collapse and dump that POS on your head like it did for my niece. Gerry :-)} London, Canada
Like the electric snow thrower given to a friend by his neighbour. It ended up in my shop and when I found my circular "TUIT" I took a look. Apparently, someone decided to check the brushes, and when one spring went thataway, they replaced it with a piece of stretched out screen door spring - probably a hundred or more times as much pressure as required. I did manage to salvage a couple of wheels to use on my lawn mower. Gerry :-)} London, Canada
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