On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 14:54:47 -0700, Just Wondering
Sean Davis, who wrote that piece, has a degree in finance and nothing
in his background that suggests an understanding of science. He
cribbed most of the article from another news source, one even less
likely to know anything about science.
And he completely misrepresented the difference in temperatures and
temperature predictions from the source. What he would have said, if
he knew what he was doing, is that the models and the observed data
follow the same trend lines. The difference is a small multiplier, not
a qualitative one.
Why do you quote these people? Do you think they know what they're
doing? They don't.
The guy whose work he cited, Roy Spencer, is a well-known denier who
works as a meteorologist and has academic credentials in it, but does
*not* work investigating climate change. He has no published papers in
which he has attempted to rebut any of the peer-reviewed work in climate
change. He has written a couple of popular press books, snarking at the
climate change scientists.
He's also a proponent of "intelligent design."
On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 14:48:19 -0700, Just Wondering
You have no idea what you're talking about. First of all, you're
talking about stochastic models and treating them like mathematical
models. That's the first mistake made by the ignorant.
So you're just contributing to the noise.
One day Chicken Little was walking in the woods when --
KERPLUNK -- an acorn fell on her head Oh my goodness!
said Chicken Little. "The sky is falling! I must go
and tell the king."
On her way to the king's palace, Chicken Little met Henny Penny.
Henny Penny said that she was going into the woods to hunt for
"Oh no, don't go!" said Chicken Little. "I was there and the sky
fell on my head! Come with me to tell the king."
So Henny Penny joined Chicken Little and they went along and
went along as fast as they could.
Soon they met Cocky Locky, who said, "I'm going to the woods
to hunt for seeds."
"Oh no, don't go!" said Henny Penny. "The sky is falling there!
Come with us to tell the king."
So Cocky Locky joined Henny Penny and Chicken Little, and
they went along and went along as fast as they could.
Soon they met Goosey Poosey, who was planning to go to the
woods to look for berries.
"Oh no, don't go!" said ocky Locky. "The sky is falling there!
Come with us to tell the king." So Goosey Poosey joined
Cocky Locky, Henny Penny and Chicken Little, and they
went along as fast as they could.
Then who should appear on the path but sly old Foxy Woxy.
"Where are you going, my fine feathered friends?" asked Foxy
Woxy. He spoke in a polite manner, so as not to frighten them.
"The sky is falling!" cried Chicken Little. "We must tell the
"I know a shortcut to the palace," said Foxy woxy sweetly.
"Come and follow me."
But wicked Foxy Woxy did not lead the others to the palace.
He led them right up to the entrance of his foxhole. Once they
were inside, Foxy Woxy was planning to gobble them up!
Just as Chicken Little and the others were about to go into the
fox's hole, they heard a strange sound and stopped.
It was the king's hunting dogs, growling and howling.
How Foxy Woxy ran, across the meadows and through the forests,
with the hounds close behind. He ran until he was far, far away
and never dared to come back again.
After that day, Chicken Little always carried an umbrella with
her when she walked in the woods. The umbrella was a present
from the king. And if -- KERPLUNK -- an acorn fell, Chicken
Little didn't mind a bit. In fact, she didn't notice it at all.
I have no doubt that some science deniers are of the kind who take
children's stories and fairy tales, with their talking animals and other
fantasy elements, as literally true and real. So be sure to always
carry your umbrella; its the only certain protection there is against
all the adverse effects of climate change, you know!
No, you have. I don't agree with him on much, but he's right on this,
and you are wrong. Like all the other knuckle-draggers, you stupidly
think that the global warming issue is "only" about leftists wanting to
throttle business. Leftists *do* want to throttle business, and they
*are* making use of the global warming issue as a tool for doing so, but
it doesn't mean that global warming is "false." It isn't - it's real,
and it is anthropogenic.
It is in developing a response to it that libertarians and conservatives
have a legitimate reason to oppose leftists. The way to deal with it is
through government policies that yield market solutions. As societies,
we get to set the parameters through politics as to the boundaries of
the market. That's the way to solve it.
Onesie baby, I understand that the ability to adequately comprehend the
scientific processes involved and to acknowledge objective reality and
reject self-serving propaganda and lies is beyond most science deniers,
and that it upsets and confuses them when they encounter it in others.
But you need to understand that neither I nor the facts of climate
change are just going to go away because you wish we would.
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