Ford F250 Starter problem

In the US....I use the 13 far far more than the 12. In my tools. 12mm is one of the least used sizes.

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The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

Yup - but you are not working on Japanese vehicles

Ansi/ISO, DIN, and JIS all specify a 10mm head on a 6mm bolt, ANSI/ISO and DIN use 13mm heads on 8mm, but JIS uses 10mm. In 19mm bolts, it really gets copmplex - ANSI/ISO uses 16, DIN uses

I find the JIS system is best, because the head sizes don't get stupid big and obstructive - and they are closer in size ratio to the standard SAE sizes.

On a jap car, working without a 12mm wrench would be like working with boxing gloves on, blindfolded.

SOME european brands are using JIS -I guess because they are closely aligned with a Japanese company - like Nissan is with Renault - and Rover was with Honda

They probably had 4 million SAE bolts that needed a home and this was a good place to put it.

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

Japanese made, often enough. And machine tools as well.

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Working off inventory or something.

Given they buy Billions of fasteners..and have/had contracts with the makers....what else makes sense?

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

I can guess, but I'm not going to speculate on this one. A lot of things that go on in the car manufacturing supply chain are pretty strange.

But maybe I'll find out later in the year.

Some 25 million 3800-series were produced--hardly think as small an item as a few random fasteners would have lead to designing around them rather than designing the assembly first.

Not to mention the concept of JIT supply chain... :)

I'm sure there was a reason, but it's undoubtedly more convolved in its origins than the above as to why.

What I didn't realize until just now is that the 3800 has been discontinued from production since '08 (which shows how long it's been since looked at anything newer w/ any thoroughness). I knew the Enclave has a different engine, but figured that wasn't surprising since it's not a sedan/coupe had assumed the LaCrosse, etc., were still using it or a later revision--but obviously not.

Are you speaking about the old Buick 90-deg. V6? That sucker had a long run. It came out in '61 or '62, as a light-truck engine.

On 2/18/2013 9:30 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: ...

That was the precursor to the 3800, yes...but the 3800 LN3 revision didn't come until the late 80s sometime--'87,'88,'89 around there, not sure of precise year w/o looking it up.

No, they finally put the old horse out to pasture. Not sure any of the current engines will survive the market as long - the 3.4 sure didn't. For good reason.

Let us all know. The info will be amusing and interesting.

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

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Hard to imagine w/ the ever-increasing mandates that there's much possibility regardless of whether it's solid design or not--but surely the 3800 was a reliable workhorse much like the old 283 was in its day...

The 3.4 was a "time bomb"

I'm curious about what you're referring to here. Are you talking about the old Fireball V6 (90 deg. V6 that started out as 3.2 l, was punched out to 3.4 l, and then sold to Jeep)?

What made it a time bomb?

Nope. Talking about the 3.4 that replaced the 3.8 for a few years in things like Pontiac Montanas and Monte Carlos. OHC engine - piece of crap that the question was not IF it was going to fail, but when.

Talking the 91 - 97 LQ1 (X code) in particular, but the 96-2005 LA1 (E code) was not great either. The LQ1 is quite possibly the worst north American produced engine in the last 50 years.

Aha. I never followed those, being distracted with car problems of my own at the time.