It seems the bolt carrier group is the hard to get part for AR-15's currently. I have found old Colt M16 A1 parts kits, "good to excellent" minus lower receiver and barrel (plus missing auto-sear or disconnector). Would the M16 bolt carrier group be good in an AR-15?
I found some bolt carrier groups in stock for $300 but the M16 parts kits are available in the $500 - $600 range, seems to be a better value maybe. I read a review of one of these parts kits being assembled, they said it was a good shooter.
Jesus. For a poodle shooter? I paid less than that for a classic Black Beauty Double in 12 gauge, and the forcing cone was even relieved for star crimps.
What are you going to do with it if you ever finish it?
The M16 parts WILL fit in an AR, it was common practice back in the first days of building AR clones to use surplus M16 parts from scrapped rifles. However, BATF eventually frowned on that because, with some added bits you can go full-auto, or even without, a improperly timed build can double. So, if you use the whole kit, you need to remove the secondary sear hook from the hammer, grind back the auto sear trip surface on the carrier, and lose the full-auto selector entirely. Disconnector tang needs to be ground to semi-auto configuration, too. At one time, there was an AR FAQ on the ATF site, might be it's still there. As far as parts quality, the kits I've seen for sale were from Colt-made commercially sold M16s supplied as military aid to several countries, warehoused and never issued. They can't come back as complete guns, so current practice is to strip them, scrap the lowers and barrels and import the rest. Some kits for sale had the auto sear and spring when they were first imported, those were taken out with later kits. You do NOT want them unless you like
10 year vacations. Quality on those parts kits is the same as new Colt-made parts of the same era. Barrels can no longer be imported.
So the problems with M16 parts in AR builds aren't mechanical, they're legal. At this point, somebody starts saying that none of this is in any law( and they're going to do it anyway). And they're right, it's BATF's own interpretation, subject to change without notice and with every change in administration. Since Congress has left legal interpretation of the law to BATF, this is the result. They can do just about anything to your gun, should they seize it, to get it to fire more than 1 shot with one trigger pull(and have done so). Then it's a machine gun and you go to jail. Just having M16 parts along with an AR has been taken as having "constructive intent", it's just flat too easy to convert. If you've got the M16 auto sear and spring, it's just one hole's difference. So they need to be altered just as soon as you get them. You do not want to end up in court because M16 parts kits are currently cheaper than AR parts. Just using an M16 bolt carrier with all the rest being AR parts SHOULD be safe legally, the trip surface should probably be shortened to be completely safe. Your choice...
On Saturday, March 2, 2013 9:20:38 PM UTC-8, Stanley Schaefer wrote:
olt carrier group is the hard to get part for AR-15's > currently. I hav e found old Colt M16 A1 parts kits, "good to excellent" > minus lower recei ver and barrel (plus missing auto-sear or disconnector). > Would the M16 bo lt carrier group be good in an AR-15? > > I found some bolt carrier groups in stock for $300 but the M16 parts kits > are available in the $500 - $600 range, seems to be a better value maybe. I > read a review of one of th ese parts kits being assembled, they said it was a > good shooter. > > Roge rN The M16 parts WILL fit in an AR, it was common practice back in the firs t days of building AR clones to use surplus M16 parts from scrapped rifles. However, BATF eventually frowned on that because, with some added bits you can go full-auto, or even without, a improperly timed build can double. So , if you use the whole kit, you need to remove the secondary sear hook from the hammer, grind back the auto sear trip surface on the carrier, and lose the full-auto selector entirely. Disconnector tang needs to be ground to s emi-auto configuration, too. At one time, there was an AR FAQ on the ATF si te, might be it's still there. As far as parts quality, the kits I've seen for sale were from Colt-made commercially sold M16s supplied as military ai d to several countries, warehoused and never issued. They can't come back a s complete guns, so current practice is to strip them, scrap the lowers and barrels and import the rest. Some kits for sale had the auto sear and spri ng when they were first imported, those were taken out with later kits. You do NOT want them unless you like 10 year vacations. Quality on those parts kits is the same as new Colt-made parts of the same era. Barrels can no lo nger be imported. So the problems with M16 parts in AR builds aren't mechan ical, they're legal. At this point, somebody starts saying that none of thi s is in any law( and they're going to do it anyway). And they're right, it' s BATF's own interpretation, subject to change without notice and with ever y change in administration. Since Congress has left legal interpretation of the law to BATF, this is the result. They can do just about anything to yo ur gun, should they seize it, to get it to fire more than 1 shot with one t rigger pull(and have done so). Then it's a machine gun and you go to jail. Just having M16 parts along with an AR has been taken as having "constructi ve intent", it's just flat too easy to convert. If you've got the M16 auto sear and spring, it's just one hole's difference. So they need to be altere d just as soon as you get them. You do not want to end up in court because M16 parts kits are currently cheaper than AR parts. Just using an M16 bolt carrier with all the rest being AR parts SHOULD be safe legally, the trip s urface should probably be shortened to be completely safe. Your choice... S tan
it's not illegal to have the m16 bc installed. many transitional colts, fro m (a1 to a2) were built with them.
I have an "95%" receiver according to americanspiritarms.com, and an AR-15 lower parts kit. That's what the M16 upper parts, along with a new barrel, would be assembled with, no "Auto" M16 parts except the bolt carrier group. Though I think a full-auto would be fun to play with for a little bit, I don't want to waste that much ammo or spend time in prison. Maybe I'll go to the Knob Creek Kentucky machine gun shoot someday, they'll let you fire machine guns for a fee.
I'd probably just use it for target shooting and occasional varmints. The cartridges are kind of cute, like miniatures of my hunting rifle Winchester Magnum cartridges. We gave a lot of Coyotes around here, I can hear them when a train is in the area. If it was legal to deer hunt with rifles here I'd get a 308 version.
I think I'll complete at least the "95%" receiver, I just have to drill 3 holes and mill out a pocket for the trigger group. If I ever get a shop building here and get my machines moved there's a better chance of me getting the 0% lowers done. The rifles are looking pretty cheap compared to some of the optics, I'd like to have one with good daytime optics, one with night vision, and one with FLIR if they become more affordable than the one I saw for $7500.
Im sure he is going to simply "collect it". Collectors are harmless people. Not like "shooters" who are very dangerous people, according to your friends in the DNC
Gunner, doing stock work on his 338 build
The methodology of the left has always been:
Lie
Repeat the lie as many times as possible
Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
If that is a Baker Black Beauty I just saw one in "almost like new" condition offered for sale. One scratch on left side of action, one on right side of barrel and a small chip out of the butt stock. $900.
Possibly it's mine. I sold it around ten years ago. I had enough shotguns and wasn't hunting rabbits or pheasants anymore.
I think I got $650 for mine.
If it hasn't had the forcing cones relieved, don't shoot star crimp shells in it. I've owned two shotguns that required roll crimps, and they're a PITA to load.
No. But outlawing the practice of walking through town with your dick hanging out isn't going to stop rapes, either. I have no problem with people who want to outlaw either one. As Robert Bork said, all laws are legislation of morality, and many of those moral choices we have to live with are the opinions of other people. That's democracy for you.
Look, Roger let on that his real reason for building an AR is to be ready to slaughter liberals in the Second Civil War. Like Gunner and Larry, he's a Walter Mitty Minuteman, with camo and night-vision goggles. He yearns for the opportunity to kill people he doesn't like and he knows that an AR is both practically and symbolically the right tool for the job.
Roger wants to flaunt the child-killing guns, the guns used for mass slaughter of civilians. Based on the polls, most people consider those guns to be obscene, for just that reason. I'd like to see how many people think that walking down the street waving your wang is obscene. I'll guess that the numbers are similar.
The urban social problem? Sorry, that one is 'way above my pay grade.
On first graders, or on liberals?
It's the weapons that those people choose, and it's the people themselves. The two go together like a hand in a glove.
The obnoxious thing about ARs, particularly of those that people have bought in the last few months, is that the big attraction is that they're the best, proven massacre guns on the civilian market. They have fame by association and people are paying outrageous sums for fame, to get a little of that "Man Card" rub-off that Bushmaster promoted before Sandy Hook. (they've taken their ads for that down. No more "renewing your Man Card" with a Bushmaster, bub. But Bushmaster knew their market, all right.) They're really shitty guns for any reasonable civilian use: ammo-sensitive, requiring stunt work to shoot anywhere near the groups of a good bolt-action; terrible lock times from early in the last century, like a 1917 Enfield; in .223, one of the more useless cartridges for civilian use this side of a .25-20.
But they're great for killing kids huddled up in a classroom.
Instead of wanting to distance themselves from the guns used in Aurora and Sandy Hook, these clowns seem to be buying them because of their fame as slaughter-guns. They're evidence of a disease that has permeated gun culture in the US, and my fear is that it could be fatal.
Now, stand back while I paper-patch my smoke pole, by cracky. d8-)
Some people collect Beanie Babies, others collect Hummel porcelein, others collect rubber bands. A "poodle shooter" has been fine for the US military (and many other nations) for 50 yrs so far. So whats your problem?
Your president has made many large Gifts of them to other nations and many cartels. You mean he is a cheap bastard for handing them out like candy?
Gunner
The methodology of the left has always been:
Lie
Repeat the lie as many times as possible
Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
Roger..plan to make the other poor bastard die for HIS bleeves. It makes retirement and getting a bit of pussy now and then..so much better when you are there to enjoy it.
Gunner
The methodology of the left has always been:
Lie
Repeat the lie as many times as possible
Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
They're for killing people. That's who gets them -- people who are going to kill, or threaten to kill, other people. That's what they're for, that's what they're all about, and that's why they're out there.
How about ol' Rog? Besides, he's clearly said that he hopes to use it for shooting people in the "Second Civil War." That isn't collecting, unless he's planning to mount their heads for display on his wall.
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