Gingery furnace has been fired

Netscape 4.77 fails.

Mozilla 1.5a has no problems.

Both on Sun's Solaris, FWIW.

So -- I guess that you mean *new* standards, not the original

Enjoy, DoN.

MSIE6 with all the patches on a win2k machine barfed on it. Hehehe! Had to VNC into one of the machines in the garage to use Mozilla :-)

Mark Rand RTFM

I mean XHTML, which is the official "upgrade path" from HTML 4 and has been a standard for something like 6 years now.

Yeah, I was looking into that last night. Apparently IE, even the very newest versions, doesn't support XHTML (qua XHTML) at all. Incredible.

Sorry, 4 years.

From this page

"XHTML 1.0 is specified in three "flavors". You specify which of these variants you are using by inserting a line at the beginning of the document. For example, the HTML for this document starts with a line which says that it is using XHTML 1.0 Strict. "

So what's wrong with your page? Are you using XHTML 2.0 which is not backward compatible?

Some folks just gotta be on the bleeding edge...

Some of my other pages (not Gingery related) use MathML, which I believe requires XHTML 1.1. It doesn't matter though, AFAICT, because IE doesn't support XHTML *at all*, even transitional. So I'd still be reduced to the "tag soup" world of legacy HTML, despite calling it "XHTML".

But it's also a principle thing. XHTML is the Right Way and I'm not going to help Microsoft screw us over by compromising that. There's no technical reason they can't have XHTML in IE--it's just a control issue.

What a shame. I would have liked to have seen your page.

Huh? Wasshappenin' ?

Suddenly my broken IE6 can read your page. Couldn't a few days ago. Did you change something, or is it the new year?

Jeff

So XHTML 1.0 Strict, which that page says it is--- ' ?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?' it says in the first line-- isn't really XHTML at all? That's what you're saying?

Religious Wars in other words,

NIH you mean?

I literally just a few minutes ago "fixed" it. XHTML pages are supposed to be served up with MIME type application/xhtml+xml, but I took a "warning" hit from the validator and changed that to text/html to fool IE into thinking I was talking the outdated standard. Everything else is still compliant.

Huh?

Not really. Every industry has accepted "best practices". HTML, being something that was just kind of cooked up by Berners-Lee, didn't follow those practices very well. XHTML reformulates the power of HTML using the best practices of software engineering. As a member of the computer industry, I can't in good conscience ignore those practices in my own work.

To an outsider that may sound like a religious stance. But it has practical consequences and benefits. I'm sure anyone here can think of examples from his or her own industry. Wasn't there a big brou-ha-ha here a few weeks ago about people who didn't know how to read a tape measure the Right Way?

I don't consider my browser to be broken. It does what I need it to do. You remind me of the Linux snobs who go on about their superior OS and then whine about the things it won't do. If it is incompatible with the majority of what everyone uses, maybe your "advanced" stuff is what is broken. If it has been around that long and is still not working with mainstream products...

Well, it works just fine on my IE6.0.2800.1106 with all the latest doo-dads.

Dang! I was going to complain about a few errant characters left over from a comment (?) in the code, ("]>" I think) but they're gone now, too.

Well done.

Oh - the furnace looks great too! (Though here in stinky hot Sydney, I'd rather not be firing it up until June.)

Cheers Jeff

Yeah, you must have been trying it as I was cleaning those up.

Thanks.

I'm still a little worried about one thing. The furnace lining isn't ROCK hard, not like cement. If I poke it too hard or push on an edge, it crumbles off. It's not in any danger of collapsing, though. Is this right, or even acceptable? I used sand, fireclay and water.

I use a muffle furnace ( a bought one, not a home-made ) frequently, and its refractory is reasonably hard, but brittle. It won't stand for rough treatment, but I'd break my fingernail if I tried to break off an edge.

I don't know if they harden up over time - I suspect they do. I think you

Cheers Jeff

Great! I can see it now.

While your doing all that "right way" stuff in writing your page, how about using image placeholders so the page doesn't shift while you are reading and it is still downloading.

And when you get tired of all the charcoal mess, you can graduate to propane, as most in the hobby have done.

Your remarks about Gingery's choice of materials ("Gingery wanted one that was big enough to fit the "standard flexible hose of a hair dryer", which I eventually realized meant a vacuum cleaner. I'd hate to see what he brushes his teeth with.") need to take into account how old this material is. When it was written, five gallon metal buckets and hose type hair driers were everywhere.

For more info you may be interesting in the castinghobby newsgroup:

I just realized that changing from application/xhtml+xml to text/html makes my MathML not work. That's unacceptable. I'm trying text/xml, but the only IE I have here is so old that it's not a valid test. Could you try it again?