The problem is the Israelis haven't got over their own trauma of the holocaust. If they would just slaughter 20 million or so rag heads they wouldn't have any problems.
And if you think the world is going to say any thing, think again. Where was the world when Lenin slaughtered the 10 million or so in Russia? Where was the world when Stalin slaughtered 22 million or so in Russia? Where was the world when the turks slaughtered 6 million Armenians? Where was the world when Mao, slaughtered 80 to 90 million in China?
*As many as 20,000 to as high as 50,000 are still being killed annually in communist China today. Where was the world when Ho Chi Minh took over S.E. Asia in 1954 and killed another 2 million or so? Where was the world when Castro slaughtered 500,000 out of population of
6 million in Cuba? (and its still going on today) Where was the world when Daniel and Umberto Ortega slaughter 250,000 in Nicaragua? (Until Ronald Reagons contras drove them from power and they had to settle for a democratic election which they couldn't rig and Violetta Chamoro won hands down. Where was the world when Pol Pot Slaughtered 2 million in Cambodia? Where was the world when Idi Amin Slaughtered 1/3 million in Uganda? Where was the world when for the 50 years of rape, cannibalism, and slaughter in the congo that may have killed as many as 15 million? (500,000 were killed between 1998 and 2002 alone) Where was the world when the Huttus slaughtered 2 million Tutsies in Rwanda? Where was the world when Robert Mugabe killed 2 million in Zimbaube and is sill killing 20,000 to 30,000 a year? Where was the world when the Islamic Indonesians were Slaughtering a million Christians in East Timor? Where is the world when the Islamic Sudanese have slaughtered 2 million Christians and enslaved (yes there is modern slavery) in the Sudan? The we have the slaughter of innocent civilians in Lebanon, Bosnia, Chechnia.
Hate to break it to you Alan but 99.5% of the slaughter of innocent Civilians in the world since 1900, has had nothing to do with the United States.
The Independent of Clackamas County, Oregon
"The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions ... but by iron and blood."
Personally I don't care how Gunner pays for it, or we pay for it. Personally I would prefer that some of my tax dollars go to gunner than to the con man Jesse Jackson.
The Independent of Clackamas County, Oregon
"The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions ... but by iron and blood."
Very commmon. Hearing the stories (I have another close friend here, who went through a similar set of events) I vowed to treat any case of 'heartburn' and 'just not feeling very well' as grounds for concern. He also wound up with a stent but there had been some damage to the muscle.
Cardiac rehab and a diet that includes about a gram of fat per day. "We grill a lot of vegatables..." he says. Interestingly enough he's also a modelmaker and gunsmith.
I'm glad to hear you got away with no muscle damage. Now about that smoking....
Take it easy, watch out for yourself.
Jim
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Well, Timmy boy. He has paid for it in taxes, as have you. He may be against the concept, and principle, but being forced into that system, and paying for the years he has paid for it, he has the right to get value for the money that was taken from him. As do you and as do I. If the system allowed him to opt out, and he failed to put the $$ away for this eventuality, then you would be correct. As it is the only opt out is via suicide. He has paid for it all these years, he should get the benefit of that payment. So, you are full of ...it.
This really demonstrates how "fault tolerant" the system is and how suddenly things "go bad" when the blockage finally exceeds the system limit. In my case I'd spent the previous weekend hauling 5gal buckets of mud out of my basement that was the direct result of a mud slide following a broken pipe. Other than the usual "catch your breath" breaks there were no symptoms evident then. However, on Wednesday I noticed that a trip up/down the stairs at work summoned a couple of dwarves that proceeded to drive railroad spikes into my neck/shoulders. That pain would abate if I wasn't moving quickly...
Yep... And you did the same that I did, probably suspecting the worst but hoping that it would "just go away on its own" until it became impossible to ignore. I actually drove home (stopping at the grocery on the way), fixed a pot of coffee and tried to eat a snack. By this time the dwarves had summoned friends and two of them were using my chest as a mold for an Inconel casting in addition to the ones driving spikes in my neck/shoulder.
My wife, being an ex-RN, recognised it for what it really was. But having a pretty high pain tolerance and being the usual dumb-ass macho male, I decided I'd finish my coffee (I knew by then that I wouldn't get any more for quite some time) and drive my self to the ER (over the wife's objections). That was a mistake... They NEVER forget...
That's the only nice thing about the experience. They really do have the "good drugs" (and lots of them).
Yep, mine too. There's an interesting theory about this that was published sometime back in Scientific American. You can research the article if you want, but in brief the theory says that this sort of blockage may be the result of inflamation in the arterial walls that rupture and cause the blockage. That might explain why ordinarily healthy people with none of the standard conditions/symptoms (high cholesterol, high blood pressure, etc.) can suddenly experience one of these "cardiac events".
That's kind of scary when you see the picture, isn't it?
I've had this done twice. Once in '97 for a partially blocked right illiac artery that caused my right leg to go numb after heavy exercise and then much later for the "big one". Believe me, the "C clamp" is a vast improvement over the old procedure. Back then two-three nurses would take turns manually applying pressure to the incision. Being "good medical practitioners" they tend to err on the safe side, which means they do their level best to try to push your leg down through the basement from the sixth floor. It took some three hours or so and the only redeeming value was all the "good drugs". Mercifully I slept through a good bit of it.
By 2001 (three days before 9/11) the technology had improved significantly. This time they used a "C clamp" with an inflatable pressure pad. By raising the pressure in the pad to a bit above blood pressure they can be sure that the artery stays closed. While not at all comfortable, its a lot more bearable. (and lots of drugs help...)
I'll second that, especially if there are any of the conditions that leave you more at risk or any family history of cardiac problems. in my case I should probably have been having at least yearly screenings after the '98 incident. But nobody seemed overly concerned after that with possible later problems, partly because of the very low cholesterol and low blood pressure... I know better now..
I'm really glad your's turned out this well. Please do "become one" with your cardiologist and keep a close watch on this.
Talk is cheap Tim, until *you* might need some help. None of us is an island. The people in our country look after good people who might be down on their luck. You are despicable to kick a man when he is down.
Glad to see you have survived your ordeal Gunner. Good luck with your recovery!
While you like to post your name as Sue_Bitch some times I can tell you that Dyslexia is a real bitch. (gald being typed for glad is a typical dyslexic error in {htat} (oops there it is again) that it looks ok when you type it and may even look ok when you check it but isn't.
Back when I was in grade school, I was considered slow and didn't like school. I had a real problem with reading out loud, Still do today. Once I learned the techniques of speed reading, I started to excel in school. Made the Dean's list most of the semesters at Idaho State University. (my first type through of University was Universtiy with the i and t reversed) It was at good old ISU that I found out that I was dyslexic.
Dislextia causes problems with reading, writing, spelling, and math. All the building blocks of today's educational process.
You and your fellow socialists, whom Gunner used to so strongly criticize, need to be sent up the chimneys for stealing so much of our money and then excusing it with the typical socialist cant about "looking after good people."
Why not simply, by your logic, socialize all health care, food distribution, and transportation? After all, someone might be "down on their luck" (translation: didn't save, didn't invest, didn't find a well-paying job, smoked, etc.) and need help because "none of us is an island."
Welcome back, Gunner. As I pointed out to Sue, the exact same thing happened to Lakers Coach Phil Jackson a year ago practically to the day. He's doing great, with the possible exception of his coaching ability.
Get some rest, and as another poster suggested, stay close to your cardiologist and do not shirk follow-up exams!!!!!!!
Actually, probably not, as Gunner will continue to be a drain on the state and "feral government" (see his own quotes below) for his remaining years, not to mention the person he now refers to in the present tense as "my wife," if she's the same one with the heart problems he talked about recently (didn't he tell us not too long ago about how he "took back" the ex-wife who had cuckolded him with one of his friends and who got into drugs and who later had $200,000 worth of freebie medical care, courtesy of the taxpayers, done? I'm confused as to whether his "wife" in the present tense is the bimbo who cuckolded him, or that bimbo is living with Gunner and another wife, a later wife.).
I expect Gunner will continue to work, when he can, in the marginal job he described to us in his own past posts, where he said he was lucky to earn $20,000 in a good year. He will likely pay $678 or $1754 or whatever paltry amount in Federal plus State income taxes, but take out many times this amount a year (for future medical care for his condition) in the county and state programs he describes.
Fact is, Gunner was a "fair weather conservative." Now the various socialists in these newsgroups are yammering about "no man is an island" (as an excuse to steal from others).
"Wait until it happens to you!" is the siren song of the commies and socialists. It's what Hilary, whom Gunner used to deride so strongly, is counting on.
(And in fact, if and when it happens to me, I certainly will not qualify for any "county and state programs." In fact, not only will I be soaked at the maximum hospital rates and doctor fees, but my taxes will keep going up, up, and up. All to support the increasing number of people who failed to save, failed to invest, failed to study, failed to make good choices, failed, failed, failed.)
Fair weather conservatives...it's what has Hilary and Kerry rubbing their hands in anticipation (actually, their hands are usually occupied with reaching into our wallets to fund their "it takes a village" social programs).
Let me remind Gunner, and the readers here, what he said so forcefully about "socialized medicine" and "the feral government" and how robbing others to pay for medicine is wrong.
Here are some direct quotes from Gunner, with dates. As all can plainly see, some quotes are quite recent. And there are many more quotes just like these.
"A Rolls Royce, or a can of Spam..it makes no difference, it its taken from me at the point of a gun, and given to someone else. Its not yours to take. Thats called robbery. Just because the Feral or State government does it , makes it no less than large armed men doing the robbing. Please point out where in the Constitution (a document defining the limits of goverment) were it defines such taking as approved?"
--Gunner, alt.machines.cnc, 2003-06-25
"Please point out in the Constitution where welfare is equated with Providing with the Common Defense?"
--Gunner, alt.machines.cnc, 2003-06-25
"Or the fact that the border crossings into the US are filled daily with Canuks coming into the US for medical care that they can't get in their wonderful Socialized Medicine system. at least that they can't get before their condition kills them."
--Gunner, misc.survivalism, 1999-07-15
"Klinton is a Fascist/Liberal. Way to the left. Way Way to the left. Nationalized Health care ring a bell? Socialized medicine.... yes sir rebob thats a conservitive thingy. Gun Control...yes sir, thats a conservitive thingy, Oh hell, lots more that I have not the time or patience to expound on."
--Gunner, misc.survivalism, 1999-12-06
"Even Republicans are guilty of encouraging government involvement in health care. They claim to be against socialized medicine, yet they continuously pass bills that slowly move the country in that direction, a little at a time."
--Gunner, misc.survivalism, 2003-06-02
"Wrong buckwheat...Im self employed, slowly starving to death, but never have, nor ever will ask for nor depend on welfare. I may ask a private charity someday..if Im really at the point of living in a refridgerator box, for a new box..
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But thats the breaks. Im in the situation Im in, simply for two reasons. Bad luck, which happens to anybody..and more importantly..bad personal decisions over the years. My ex ran me over the coals but it was my decisions that allowed her to do that. I went into manufacturing, thinking it was going to be fun and rewarding...and passed up some number of job offers in several unrelated fields. My decisions, my choices, my having to deal with the results. No one elses. Mine. Nor do I expect some poor bastard to have a gun poked in his ear, so the Feral government can take from him to give to me."
--Gunner, same article as first two quotes at the top
Hey! I'd settle for a refund of 1/2 of all taxes, state and federal, that I paid in since 1973. I'd not worry about heath care.
As far as the VA goes, I (non vet) consider that to be back pay. It was the deal when they went into the military and VA heath care is OWED to Vets by the public.
Actually...center of mass. Aim for 2" above the belt buckle and the followup shots tend to string upwards through the remaining vital bits.
Gunner
That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell
Actually no. Cardiac specialist indicated that 50 yrs of bad diet, high stress and smoking were the culprits. Pick one from column A, or one from Column B.
Thanks
Gunner
That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell
Was there some reason you forgot to mention the other options listed above? "long term payment plans, to working with the VA."
Or are you simply going to once again, pontificate while blowing smoke out your ass? Indeed, its your norm.
Indeed, you might. Then, you might not. I might vote Democrat. Then, I might not. Im still exploring the options. If I go the socialism route, Ill make sure to ask the State to add the cost to your property taxes and you personally can pay the freight.
Then those of us who are heavily taxed might get some of our money back.
Tubby asshole with acess to the internet comes to mind...
Indeed. Large tubby asshole.
Gunner
That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell
Wouldnt have helped make your case much..my BP while above normal..was still not bad for an old reprobate.
Gunner
That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell
Having been there for most of those quotes, it seems to me they're a bit out of context. But hey, that's OK. You picked the best time to point all this stuff out, which was right after the guy's has an angioplasty.
I think your time might be better off spent either pulling the wings off flys, or incinerating ants with a magnifying glass.
Jim
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