Gunner's computer won't go on-line

Thanks, Brian.

Harold

He e-mailed me from a friends house today but the basterd STILL didn't help me with my quandary. I wanted to know the advantages and disadvantages between a S&W 617 in 6 or 10 rd.

Must be the pits when actual life and metalworking get in the way of usenetting.

Steve

Gunner should try paying for internet service rather than stealing from the cable company.

If one doesn't lock down one's wireless router the current culture assumes it is an open wifi point.

Needless to say, mine is locked down tight. With a static IP, I don't want any traffic that isn't mine like some pedophile wardriving and using my connection. Besides, not sharing is in my terms of service agreement.

Wes

-- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

So if I drive by the library and access the internet via their WiFi, you think I am stealing?

Dan

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That's not even close to the same thing, and I think you already know that.

Also, it doesn't matter at all whether *I* think it's stealing, unless I'm one of the 12 angry men on your jury. I posted a link to a relevant California law.

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Y'knowm Wes, for a guy who argues for strict interpretation of the Constitution in regard to firearms, you play pretty fast & loose with the law in this case. To carry your logic a step further...If I leave my front door open, is that an invitation for you to walk right in and help yourself to my belongings? How about if I leave a second-story window open?

Damned right that not sharing is in your TOS. Just as it's in Gunner's neighbor's TOS. Yet Gunner thinks (and you seem to agree) that it's perfectly OK for Gunner to help himself to a service that neither belongs nor is licensed to him. But it's OK with you because, what? everybody does it?

For a guy who constantly quotes a security officer, I would have thought that you would have had more respect for property rights.

I personally think that stealing wifi is a less bad offense, compared to, say, stealing welding rod.

If wifi is completely unsecured, from my own ethical standpoint, I do not consider it stealing at all. I know that the law may disagree with me.

If wifi is protected by WEP, I consider its use to be stealing, but not as immoral form of stealing as taking a GPS from a car or some such.

I have TWC as does Gunner's neighbor. Gunner pays his neighbor. There's NOTHING in MY TWC contract against letting anybody I want use my connection. I asked the repair guy and he said NOBODY gives a crap, he even told me I could set-up e-mail addresses for my neighbors. It just seems that irrational hatred for Gunner is the issue here.

I commented on the culture in general as far as wifi. When quoting specifics, I told you that mine is locked down. Where am I playing fast and loose again?

Wes

-- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

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Maybe you want to read your contract again. And you really need to ask yourself if you should be accepting legal advice from the cable guy. I'm not saying that anyone is going to be carte off to jail for piggybacking on their neighbor's wifi, but I am pointing out that it's a clear violation contract and of Calfornia law. If some prick of a prosecutor wanted to make a case of it, he could. If some prick of a judge felt like it, he could throw Gunner in the slammer for a year.

All that aside, the fact that Gunner isn't paying TWC for their service means that, much like his health care, the rest of us are paying for him. No, the cost to TWC isn't very high, but it also isn't zero, and that cost is being picked up by you and me and the other 80 kazillion paying subscribers.

Having googled "TWC terms of Sevice" I got to this page:

Its almost certainly a Leftist plot to stifle his right to Free Speech. Or "Market Forces" have decided hes not worth the effort to have online..take your pick.

Andrew VK3BFA.

Tawm, you and Wes would have a -lot- fewer problems if you simply plonked the trolls, y'know. BTW, Gunner has said that he can stand up for himself. PDFTmFgdaT

-- Education should provide the tools for a widening and deepening of life, for increased appreciation of all one sees or experiences. It should equip a person to live life well, to understand what is happening around him, for to live life well one must live life with awareness. -- Louis L'Amour

Check your contract more carefully, I believe you will find that there is no restriction on letting guests use your connection, but there is a restriction on reselling the service.

As for what the repair guy said, that is indeed true. No ISP gives a damn what you do with the service unless you are a bandwidth hog, or are attracting law enforcement attention and subpoenas for records.

A number of ISPs try to throttle connection speeds on torrent transfers. They seem to watch for known ports being used and other telltales.

I think it is pretty much the same thing. If I have a WiFi connection to the internet and want to share it with the general public, then I would exactly what the library does and not require passwords. Since WiFi can be set up with or without passwords, I would assume that anyone that sets it up without requiring passwords does want to share it with the general public.

It is very much like allowing people on your land. In most states one can hunt on unposted land. To keep people off your property you have to post a no trespassing sign every 25 feet or so.

Dan

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I don't know about yours, but on mine, I have the option of securing it or not. I don't live within range of anyone else who can use my wifi, so I don't have a password on it to save time and aggravation. Unless I would have people driving up 1/2 mile of dirt road to steal wifi. So, don't we all have the general license of "playing fast and loose", as it's called, to just not enter a securing code on our own? Or, maybe we need another law, and some $80k a year plus bennies enforcers. I'm sure there would be lots of applicants ................

Steve

Heart surgery pending? Read up and prepare. Learn how to care for a friend. Download the book.

The library does not have the same contract with the cable company as you do. They are permitted, as a public service, to redistribute their connection. A "regular" contract with TIme Warner, as I illustrated, does NOT permit such use.

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It is not at all like that, not unless the law says so. TWC's contract prohibits such use, and California's law provides for penalties. If you want to go start up your own state and make your own laws, go right ahead. But this is the way it stands today. Gunner's neighbor is in violation of the neighbor's contract with TWC, and as such are liable for civil penalties should TWC choose to act. Gunner and his neighbor are both in violation of California law, and as such, are subject to criminal penalties if the state should choose to act. You may not like it, it isn't likely that it would ever be enforced, but until someone changes the law, that's the way it is.