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I'm not up on modern American political nomenclature but I believe a group that wants to institute belief in the strict adherence to the Law as it is written and on a conservative life style would probably be termed a Right-winger.
As to "using violence to try and get their own way".... why, that sounds very much like the United States, doesn't it. Remember how they gained their independence? Remember how they went to war to keep the Southern States from seceding? Remember how they gained the Philippines as a colony? And on and on.

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So Stalin and the National Socialists were Rightwingers? Pol Pot was a Right Winger along with Mao?
Fascinating!
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The usual explanation of Right wing/Left Wing politics is
"In simple terms, the right-wing is in favor of centralizing political power in the hands of the leaders of government, and the left-wing is in favor of distributing political power to the people. Politics on the right is associated with conservatism; politics on the left is associated with liberalism."
Using that definition I believe that you have to classify Stalin as a Right Winger, and Mao also. In spite of being communists they both believed in controlling everything and not allowing the proletariat a say in the government.
As for Pol Pot, well he was a dictator and he and his cadre certainly controlled every facet of life in Cambodia so I'd guess he falls in the same category.
The thing is that you have to look at what is going on, not just the surface features. I mean, you can wear a dashiki and grow an Afro and prance around high fiveing folks but when you get down to the 'hood they aren't going to accept you as a real Brother. :-)
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Odd..where the hell did that definition come from? Did you fart it out of your ass???
Or did you get it from someone in the DNC?
So Johnny..hows that Hopey Changey thingy working out?
Hummmm?
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You're using the "classic" definitions which are not so accurate in American politics. A libertarian is extremely liberal, but in America may be considered a conservative.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism#Neo-classical_and_libertarian_usage_of_the_term
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Well, I figured that you need to start with the basics and once one gains an understanding of that one could go on to more exotic descriptions.
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True..but its hard to buy a lot of guns that have zero detection signature. That has to add a fair amount of "value" for some people.

True indeed. However...they show up on metal detectors.
The printed gun was never designed to be a "threat to the public"..but a warning shot fired across the governments bows. And the Government acted EXACTLY as the builders believed they would. Which means that the Government is as predictable as a chronometer and it shows that the Constitution means shit to them in fact and in deed.
So much for that pesky First AND Second Amendments...which the designers called exactly spot on.
And it also showed the people..that the lumbering behemoth we call Government is virtually helpless.
Which is why Im amused by the Leftwingers who threaten the People with Hornet aircraft and Rockeye bombs and so forth.
To use them to attack revolutionaries...means the government kills endless piles of the innocent and their very own supporters to maybe..maybe kill one insurectionist.
They simply dont think..they simply threaten..and dont understand its an empty threat.
"If you bastards dont knock it off..we are going to nuke LA!!"
Go ahead..you will kill millions of the innocent..and millions of Democrat voters. Not a bad trade for a couple insurectionists and the now directed hatred of more millions of the survivors towards the government. A propaganda coup of the century!
The Left simply doesnt understand what Aysemetrical Warfare is...and why America is such a marvelous place for it to be employed...and such a miserable, deadly place for it to be defended against.
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So? Make the barrel out of plastic than. The whole thing is a tempest in a tea pot and if you are really into the machine business you know it too. How long, and how much money, to drill a hole lengthwise through, say a 1 inch diameter fiberglass rod, 3 inches long. Whittle out an 'L' shaped of wood for a stock, bend a nail for the hammer and some rubber bands for the hammer spring. I'll bet is appreciably cheaper than the 3D printer :-)
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The point is not that it's a good way to make a gun. It also isn't that there aren't easier ways to make something better.
The point is that it's a great way to freak out the liberals who want to control everything and everyone because THEY know what is best for everybody. It's a simple demonstration that even they can understand, and I hope it scares the wits out of them.
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I personally think that it is a lot of noise for nothing. But I kept thinking farther and started wondering, can we have metal 3D printers, working on the same principle, by adding molten metal to the part precisely. It is basically the same as welding, just more directed. Then we could make steel 3D printed objects!
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On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 09:20:28 -0500, Ignoramus4028

We've had "metal printers" for about 14 years (the Extrude Hone device that they showed at IMTS 2000). It lays down powdered metal with a polymer binder, and then sinters it in an oven.
I don't know if they're still making it. It ain't cheap. But, given some work at Rocketdyne some years ago, for making 100% density PM parts with a polymer binder via injection molding, I think you could fancy this thing up and do amazing things with it.
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message wrote:

Would an electroplating process work for this? Something like an insulated MIG gun with the plating metal fed like wire so the plating transfer is mostly in 1 spot, maybe an insulating mask to help control where the metal is deposited. Or if this could be done with a welding process, would underwater welding help control, keeping the part solid and a controlled area (right at the arc) for the puddle?
A guy I used to work with once worked at a place where they designed parts, the 3D printer made wax parts that were then investment cast in stainless steel.
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Somebody was working on a spray-deposit system when I was working at _Machining_. I don't know what became of it. There also are some laser-sintering approaches that use the intersection of two laser bearms on powdered metal to do a computer-controlled local sintering of the metal. And there is an ultrasound welding technique that welds layered foils into solid masses under computer control
There probably are other things going on. There's a lot of discussion about "additive manufacturing" in the trade press. This isn't necessarily the last word, but you may find it interesting:
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/manufacturing/pdfs/additive_manufacturing.pdf

Hmm. An interesting question. Are you thinking of "submerged-arc welding," by any chance? The arc isn't submerged in water. It's submerged under a pile of powdered flux.
But directing welding somehow could be a possibility. I think you'll find that the really advanced methods are using lasers, sound, electron beams, etc.

Yes, there's quite a bit of that going on now.
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message wrote:

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When I try to filling in a hole are large gap welding, I run a bead, wait for it to cool a little, run another...
I thought maybe underwater welding would be good for heat control.
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Well, there is such a thing as welding underwater, but I have no idea how well it can be controlled.
In any case, the width of a bead from any ordinary welding is 'way too fat for the kind of resolution that can be obtained by other AM methods. It's actually very fine.
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On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 09:20:28 -0500, Ignoramus4028

They are already in operation in industry. Typically they spray powdered metals which are then run through a furnace and "melted" together

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zApmGFDA6ow

Review the various other videos that will show up to the right side of ones screen
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I am highly impressed. Thanks
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Actually there are several processes. The most primitive runs like a regular 3d printer but uses metal powder and binders instead of plastic. These are then sintered in an oven. Next class of machines can use a electron beam or a laser to sinter the metal powder directly in the machine.
These still just produce a sintered product with all the limitations of a sintered product. You wouldn't want to make a gun out of oilite. Some people fill the sintered metal with molten bronze, but that is a lot more work and still inferior to wrought or even cast metal,
The latest machines actually welds the powdered metal together into a solid and (reasonably) homogeneous mass. The tests I have read about show strengths similar to cast material.
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/140084-nasa-3d-prints-rocket-parts-with-steel-not-plastic
However, the advantage of this process is not really in mass production, it is in making only one or a production so limited that it cannot take advantage of economies of scale.
My uncle Bill once told me that back in the 60's he designed some equipment for a gun manufacturer that was investment casting revolver frames and the only machining they had to do was to tap the holes. He said they could cast them with the threads in place, but the would still have to run a tap through to clean out the investment.
It will be a long time before stereolithography will even think about competing in that arena.
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Right. An unrifled, short barrel, single shot pistol. Well that description fits the gun used to kill Lincoln but his body guard was having a beer in the pub at the time.
A far more reliable method is to cram your jockey shorts full of dynamite and hustle up to "shake the hand of a great American". No politician could ignore that.
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Indeed. However..the fact of the matter...is what you snipped out of my post.
"The printed gun was never designed to be a "threat to the public"..but a warning shot fired across the governments bows. And the Government acted EXACTLY as the builders believed they would. Which means that the Government is as predictable as a chronometer and it shows that the Constitution means shit to them in fact and in deed.
So much for that pesky First AND Second Amendments...which the designers called exactly spot on.
And it also showed the people..that the lumbering behemoth we call Government is virtually helpless.
Which is why Im amused by the Leftwingers who threaten the People with Hornet aircraft and Rockeye bombs and so forth.
To use them to attack revolutionaries...means the government kills endless piles of the innocent and their very own supporters to maybe..maybe kill one insurectionist.
They simply dont think..they simply threaten..and dont understand its an empty threat.
"If you bastards dont knock it off..we are going to nuke LA!!"
Go ahead..you will kill millions of the innocent..and millions of Democrat voters. Not a bad trade for a couple insurectionists and the now directed hatred of more millions of the survivors towards the government. A propaganda coup of the century!
The Left simply doesnt understand what Aysmetrical Warfare is...and why America is such a marvelous place for it to be employed...and such a miserable, deadly place for it to be defended against."
What..you didnt think it mattered or was somehow off topic and needed to be trimmed out?
High explosives dont show up on metal detectors either and are made faster than 12 hours for a much bigger bang.
But it doesnt put the government on notice that technology is moving faster than they can control it. The 3D gun thingy ...does.
And gives the People some tools, albit primitive right now...do have a bit of hope. Which is why there have been over a million downloads ..probably far more since it was posted.
Id strongly suggest one reads "The Weapons Shops of Ishtar" for the idea behind this.
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