make - forge? - wedge for feathers-and-wedge rock-split
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Mar 28, 2024 Last reply: 2 years ago 55 Replies
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Richard Smith
Down the mine / in the mine... The dust would hang in the air and everyone would breath it in. Turning up your miner's lamp to full-brightness you can see glinting tiny particles in the air - highly likely to be silicate. Just a test little bit of drilling before everyone heading to surface. Not even "production-level" amounts of drilling. Absolutely cannot be.
Water flood (actually not a lot of water) to get a slurry. Nothing glinting in the air by same test of miner's lamp at full-brightness shining along the level so bright in the beam and no reflecting-back light (lost a hundred metres and more away). Completely effective in that regard.
But then yes how to get the adherent slurry out of the drilled sockets...
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Jim Wilkins
Down the mine / in the mine... The dust would hang in the air and everyone would breath it in. Turning up your miner's lamp to full-brightness you can see glinting tiny particles in the air - highly likely to be silicate. Just a test little bit of drilling before everyone heading to surface. Not even "production-level" amounts of drilling. Absolutely cannot be.
Water flood (actually not a lot of water) to get a slurry. Nothing glinting in the air by same test of miner's lamp at full-brightness shining along the level so bright in the beam and no reflecting-back light (lost a hundred metres and more away). Completely effective in that regard.
But then yes how to get the adherent slurry out of the drilled sockets...
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The brief but important part of my post was how to connect flexible rubber or vinyl tubing to a drink bottle cap. In the USA threaded electric lamp tubing has the non-tapered "IPS, Iron Pipe Straight" version of 1/8" pipe thread, and brass lock nuts for lamps could reinforce the pipe thread joint into the bottle cap.
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The flexible tubing connection could be a barbed spigot, compression with a plastic sleeve, or a push to disconnect fitting. Flare might even work, I haven't tried it on vinyl tubing.
IPS female fits but usually requires a rubber washer to seal on NPT (pipe) male. Sink spray and shower head hoses may use it. The high pressure hydraulic equivalent is named "swivel" and seals with a metal cone.
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Jim Wilkins
But then yes how to get the adherent slurry out of the drilled sockets...
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With an extension hose, cut diagonally on the pickup end.
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Richard Smith
Thanks - I was trying to get ideas for this.
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Jim Wilkins
Thanks - I was trying to get ideas for this.
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Snag-free tubing clamping:
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The cut ends can be pushed in to disappear. I suspect the Gordian Knot used the same trick.
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Richard Smith
Follow-up, for what it's worth...
This is about my "10mm" (~ 3/8inch) rock-splitting feathers.
As-supplied, they need a 14mm diameter socket to fit-in in the rock you want to split.
I ground three wedges thinner so they will fit in a 12mm socket. Which I have been the "feathers" I have used for breaking up "rocks" lying-about in the hobby mine. The request is : preferably don't send rocks in the skip up the haulage shaft which are much bigger than a loaf of bread.
So I have been rapidly drilling-in a couple or three sockets in stones and splitting them "rapidly" - skip-loads to surface (given our "mine" is tiny and so is the skip in the haulage-shaft).
Recent finding for "boulders" which are bigger than two people could carry...
You need the stiffness of the wedges in the feathers-and-wedge's as-supplied. So that was got right as-supplied.
My SDS "cordless" battery-powered drill is fast at 12mm but definitely taking more than pro-rata longer at 14mm. Mustn't make dust down in the mine, as the fine silica dust would circulate around and be breathed-in by everyone. So must drill under water-flood (keeps the drill cool, too). Nett...
Go around your boulder with a pilot-drill size, doing the various planes along which you intend to split it, then go around again with the 14mm drill, then use the feathers lined along each plane to do the splitting.
Seems 7mm pilot-hole size would be ideal
6mm too small - the SDS cordless drill can "over-power" it into the hard granite and a moment's inattention can have it red-hot then destroyed.
8mm drills well but maybe unnecessarily large Unfortunately (?) masonry drill sizes go in 2mm increments. So I have to go with 8mm.
The one about water-flood - if the drilling is going at a good rate, it takes less concentration and you can be happily holding the water-bottle in the other hand, squeezing a fast fine jet through a small hole in the lid which sprays onto the rotating drill at the point it goes into the rock.
Yesterday a mining engineer and a civil engineer watched how I split a boulder... Seem to be doing something right...
Thanks for the help the nearly 3 months ago when I was trying for find my way with this.
Rich Smith
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Jim Wilkins
Yesterday a mining engineer and a civil engineer watched how I split a boulder... Seem to be doing something right...
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David Billington
As all the masonry bits I've ever had have the TC insert sticking out the sides of the shank I was going to suggest narrowing an 8mm bit to nearer 7mm with a diamond or green wheel, my 8mm bit measures 8.25mm across the TC insert and the shank is 7.1mm. That being said a quick search for 7mm masonry bits turns up plenty of them and they seem to be readily available from many sources.
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Jim Wilkins
------------------------- Your wedges are much larger compared to the shims/feathers than mine. Perhaps the seller mixed two sizes?
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Jim Wilkins
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My kind of tool: "Finally, beat with a hammer."
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Richard Smith
Mine look identical as-arrived. My guess - same manufacturer - same "model". If so, they fit in a 14mm dia. socket.
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Richard Smith
Patent no way - I spotted that cordless tool battery powers now enable drilling sockets for feathers&wedge. Everything familiar already - it's just reaching a "cross-over point" where becomes economic.
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Richard Smith
Yes - cannot buy from tool-store - but do seem to be offered online. Even if could special-order in a good brand from a tool-store, not enough boulders to dispose of to make it worth-while.
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Jim Wilkins
Mine look identical as-arrived. My guess - same manufacturer - same "model". If so, they fit in a 14mm dia. socket.
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Can you start the wedge at all between the feathers in a 10mm hole?
Mine fit the nominal size hole with the wedge somewhat less than half way in. It scraped and gouged the feathers until I rounded and smoothed the leading edge corners of the wedges. I straighten the feathers on the anvil after use. Next time I might rub bar soap on them as a dry lube.
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Jim Wilkins
Patent no way - I spotted that cordless tool battery powers now enable drilling sockets for feathers&wedge. Everything familiar already - it's just reaching a "cross-over point" where becomes economic.
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Richard Smith
Fit - socket size in boulder - nominal 10mm feathers-and-wedge...
Can't remember. I think the pair of "feathers" alone would fit in a 10mm hole.
I think if you tried pulling the outer ends of the feathers apart, splayed, you could get the tip of the wedge in and start hammering, with result that the feathers would bend, splay and ruin the feathers - the wedge never getting under the level of the rock.
I think it's a "no way". Certainly it isn't useful.
12mm socket - the feathers fit in well and the wedge slimmed 2mm goes in
- all nice. As I found - as boulders get bigger, the thinned wedge doesn't seem up to transmitting the blows of the lump-hammer.. The three thinned wedges - for small rocks lying-around one person can go along drilling sockets and a following person can split with the feathers. Can move along quite quickly leaving nothing much bigger than a loaf of bread. No reason for more that three of these thinned wedges, as never need more than a set of three feathers-and-wedge for rocks which only have to be halved split into 3 or quartered into 4.
Long answer, and memory doesn't go back to that first time I drilled with a 10mm drill expecting that to be the one needed.
I see the reason for the "10mm" (sic.) design. The stiff wedge protects the thin feathers. With my experiences with this hard granite - I doubt any smaller solution than the feathers fitting in a 14mm socket could transmit the effect of a lump-hammer to split bigger boulders more than two people could not carry. The feel as you go along the line of wedges tapping them with the lumpy... Is all very taut...
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