OT-Cap and Trade Bill passes 219-212

So the gov't profits either way? Now, let's examine energy from wind. Has anyone done a study as to the effects on wind when co2 emissions are reduced?

Gads I hate it when Mt Dew shoots suddenly out my nose.........

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement, reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

Are you sure the Chinese will have anything to do with what's left?

Karl, you do realize that China is an up and coming economic power while the United States is a has been power that has been backsliding for years?

Take a look at the trade deficit...the blame lies with the United States for not rising to the global challenge.

TMT

The US has been hamstrung with unrealistic union issues, social misdirection and anti-wealth creation.

How about a carbon tax on death? All those rotting dead people are causing pollution. And they are future fossil fuel. Tax it.

If the regulators and tax collectors can see a penny to be made, they will take it. Wood burning fireplaces and by extension stoves/furnaces are already prohibited or regulated/taxed in many areas.

These are the same people that now tell you how much water you can use to flush your toilet, and what the maximum flow rate on your shower can be.

Unka' George [George McDuffee]

------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

It has to be Mandarin - the language of the rulers, the Mandarins.

I've been hearing the talk about the end of the american empire for years. I don't doubt that it will happen; all things come to an end. But the history of recent empires is that they take centuries to peak, and (unless conquered) centuries to decline. So we will not live to see the fall.

Joe Gwinn

One of these days the Demo's will have the bill on paper. It is an invalid and illegal bill if voted on without handing out and reading the bill.

Mart> Until Washington gets serious about cleaner energy, nothing will change.

Karl, you do realize that China is an up and coming economic power

In '79 I worked for Tx Instruments, we had 4 Monarch CNC vertical mills. But they couldn?t do some of the newer parts coming out of design.

So a group of machine tool makers were invited to come see out operation and figure out just what TI needed.

One manufacturer shower up, and they weren?t interested.