OT Right To Work

Right To Work
The employee free choice act has the RTW people very afraid. They will spend millions to fight it which proves to any actual working
person that the EFC act is a very good thing. It will allow workers to sign a card without the boss looking over his or her shoulder and threatening a layoff or firing. They have been cheating workers out of their rights for long enough. We need to stand together and tell our congress to pass this right away. This will do more to stabilize our economy than any other stimulis on the table. This will give more voice to the workers and put money in our pockets
Millwright Ron www.unionmillwright.com
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
I'll make you a standing offer, Ron.
Come to my company and organize my employees into a union. I'll give them time off and pay for an off-site conference room for you.
I'll even give you $500 for each employee that joins your union. As long as you give me $500 for each one that doesn't.
-jim
Millwright Ron wrote:

Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 10:50:48 -0800, Jim Stewart

Time for Ronny to put his money where his ideology is.

Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

It should be called the "Employee No CHoice Act".
They are taking away an employee's right to a secret ballet, encouraging peer pressure and other tatics to make sure an employee signs an authorization card. It is crazy and not right.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 10:57:04 -0800 (PST), stryped

Is that the bill that makes secret ballots illegal in union elections, so the Union Thugs can beat or kill those that dont vote the Union way?
Shouldnt that be the Union Boss Protection Act?
Gunner
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
wrote:

It should be called the "Employee No CHoice Act".
They are taking away an employee's right to a secret ballet, encouraging peer pressure and other tatics to make sure an employee signs an authorization card. It is crazy and not right.
Wrong, they are making it so that employees can better organize collectively so they can fairly bargain with employers. Without this they are at a disadvantage. You can tell they are because workers haven't had pay raises in years that amount to anything. By making it easier to form unions it forces the employers to come to the table and bargain with the workers collectively. Any moron knows that when you have a group backing you in anything you do better than all by yourself. Management is against it because they know if it passes they will have to fork over more of the profits of the company to the workers. Good for the workers, bad for managers. Too bad for the owners and managers. They have had all the advantages for eight years. Now we'll see how it goes when the other side gets it's chance. No doubt it'll be better for the workers. No wonder management opposes it. By why do other working people? Are they that dumb they think siding with management is the way to get ahead? Or can they just not add up two and two?
Hawke
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

WHy are they at a disadvantage? Do you even know how the system currently works? Currently all a union needs to do is have 30% of the workers sign cards and an official secret ballot election is held by the NLRB.
You are very telling in your statement that "They have had all the

To me it just sounds as if you are a repblican hater. You make it sound as if Bush somehow drastically changed union organizing laws. These laws have not been changed since before he came into office. The way elections are held has not changed in decades.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
wrote:

WHy are they at a disadvantage? Do you even know how the system currently works? Currently all a union needs to do is have 30% of the workers sign cards and an official secret ballot election is held by the NLRB.
You are very telling in your statement that "They have had all the

To me it just sounds as if you are a repblican hater. You make it sound as if Bush somehow drastically changed union organizing laws. These laws have not been changed since before he came into office. The way elections are held has not changed in decades. *********************************************** Bird-boy never lets facts get in the way of his hate.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

Hawke, I've never felt cheated by an employer. Have always felt that I had the upper hand and could withdraw my services at will. Many times I did and moved on. This mobility is what gets you raises and promotions in a free economy. Alternatively, I could have been a lemming, joined a union, and been stuck in the same rut where you cannot (and are not allowed to) be recognized and rewarded based on merit.
You are getting a lot of flack because the people on this newsgroup are highly independent and self-made. They are the tinkerers of society or possibly the Auto Garage owner who decided that he has more skills than schlepping at a union shop alongside non-productive sheep. Think government employees (they are mostly unionized). All the great achievers leave after 1 to 2 years of service and go to private industry. What's left are the non-motivated and non-productive, protected by their union.
Best example: Any state highway department. They suck up graduate Civil Engineers at a voracious rate. Most of them get licensed after 2-3 years and leave their government positions for private industry or self practice. The ones that remain behind are the non-achievers that clog up the works and drain our public finances. Of course, if anything mildly technical needs to be designed, the State will contract out the engineering work, most probably, to one of the bright ones that didn't stick around. This is all the result of unionization. The system is not able to acknowledge merit and in fact fights against it.
Ivan Vegvary
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

And we will send a goon with you in to the polling place to watch you choose your local and national elected officials. Same thing as giving up the secret ballot in union elections.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:54:12 -0800, Millwright Ron wrote:
This is a metalworking group. The only metalworking implied in this post is if the union goons looking over my shoulder during a vote have brass knuckles or aluminum baseball bats to do their enforcing with -- and I doubt that they would be so unsubtle.
So go find alt.politics.pro-union-diatribes.senseless, and post there.

Assuming, of course, that you believe that the only employment should be at union shops. You're a good liar.

Because there'll be too many union eyeballs in the way, attached to union brains applying that special form of union concern for the employees health ("we're worried that if you don't do what we want it'll prove unhealthy for you"). You're a good liar.

I _like_ being able to work someplace where I can succeed because I'm good, not because I can kiss ass or because I'm related to the union steward or because I can pass meaningless tests. I _don't_ want to work some place where pay and benefits are determined by body temperature and length of employment, irrespective of ability. I _like_ my right to work. You're a good liar.

No, we need to tell our congresscritters that we're watching, and that we'll be _very_ unhappy if it passes. You're a good liar.

An all-union economy will do more to finish the destruction of our economy than just about anything but a no-union economy. You're a good liar.

This will take away a worker's voice, by taking away the secret ballot from the union adoption process, and put money in the union boss's -- and presumably your -- pockets. You're a good liar.
How much are you getting paid for all of this? And where is the money coming from? Are you really Bill Sizemore, working on "the other side" for some extra bucks? You're certainly dispensing the same magnitude of "truth" as he does.
So, your abilities are to be commended. You're doing just fine with The Big Lie. I particularly like the way that you don't actually have the courage to lie directly -- you're just saying "stand on these here railroad tracks, and don't you worry about getting hit by a truck". It's artistry, in a way.
I hope you're getting paid well.
--
Tim Wescott
Control systems and communications consulting
  Click to see the full signature.
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:54:12 -0800 (PST), Millwright Ron

So Ronny...what is the Employee Free Choice Act and what is it all about?
Tell us in your own words.
Gunner, looking for the Union lable.....
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

I see you are against a secret ballot, why is that? Why does your type NEED union goons to intimidate people into signing? Be afraid of the secret ballot...be VERY afraid!
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

Employee Free Choice Now . Org Educating The World on The EFCA.
Myth vs. Reality: The REALITY is the Employee Free Choice Act Helps American Workers and their Families.
Despite the need for reform, critics of EFCA continue to misinform the public about the bill and hide the serious shortcomings of current labor law. Democrats are committed to setting the record straight and passing this important legislation on behalf of American workers and their families.
MYTH: EFCA will prevent the use of secret-ballot elections.
REALITY: EFCA does not strip workers of their right to choose a secret-ballot election to decide whether to select -- or not to select -- a union representative. EFCA simply gives workers the additional option of selecting a union representative by majority sign-up.
Organizing For America begins with the passing of the Employee Free Choice Act.
The Employee Free Choice Act is nothing new it only reestablishes the Joy Silk Doctrine of 1949
History
In 1949, the NLRB's Joy Silk Doctrine established that "an employer could lawfully refuse to bargain with a union claiming representative status through possession of authorization cards only if he had a 'good faith doubt' as to the union's majority status.This policy was changed in 1966 with the ruling in Aaron Brothers, where "the Board made it clear that it had shifted the burden to the General Counsel to show bad faith and that an employer 'will not be held to have violated his bargaining obligation... simply because he refuses to rely upon cards. 'If passed, the proposed Employee Free Choice Act would return the NLRB policy to the Joy Silk Doctrine and allow employer challenges to card check elections only when illegal coercion or fraud is charged.
In 1969, Chief Justice Earl Warren delivered the majority opinion for the U.S. Supreme Court that upheld the use of card check. Warren stated, "Almost from the inception of the Act, then, it was recognized that a union did not have to be certified as the winner of a Board election to invoke a bargaining obligation; it could establish majority status by other means... by showing convincing support, for instance, by a union-called strike or strike vote, or, as here, by possession of cards signed by a majority of the employees authorizing the union to represent them for collective bargaining purposes." The Supreme Court has consistently ruled in favor of card check, and Warren cited prior affirmations in NLRB v. Bradford Dyeing Assn., (1940); Franks Bros. Co. v. NLRB,[(1944); United Mine Workers v. Arkansas Flooring Co., (1956).
For More Information on EFCA please visit our website and blog
http://www.employeefreechoiceactnow.org
http://efcanow.blogspot.com /
http://www.LaborUnionResources.Org
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

Employee Free Choice Now . Org Educating The World on The EFCA.
Myth vs. Reality: The REALITY is the Employee Free Choice Act Helps American Workers and their Families.
Despite the need for reform, critics of EFCA continue to misinform the public about the bill and hide the serious shortcomings of current labor law. Democrats are committed to setting the record straight and passing this important legislation on behalf of American workers and their families.
MYTH: EFCA will prevent the use of secret-ballot elections.
REALITY: EFCA does not strip workers of their right to choose a secret-ballot election to decide whether to select -- or not to select -- a union representative. EFCA simply gives workers the additional option of selecting a union representative by majority sign-up.
****************************************
BULLSHIT!!! It doesn't give workers choice, it gives union goons opportunity to intimidate workers into signing. Why do you lie?
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

There is something else that's relevant - I read in the WSJ that secret ballots are retained for union decertification votes.
So, the proposal is that certification and decertification ballots be different, certification being open and decertification being secret. Wonder why. Shouldn't the same voting method be used for both?
Joe Gwinn
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

Noticed the plight of GM, Ford, Chrysler? How is that union, mighty mighty union, protecting them now? The union is selling out the new hires so the old guys can continue to suck the teat.
Wes
     -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
Yuh know, more unions simply means fewer jobs in the USA and more jobs in China and Bangledesh. Check your history if you doubt this. My home town was devistated by the unions, pushing up costs beyond what the employers produce competitively. Those that didn't go out of business simply moved to someplace else where they could get the labor cheaper. First to the southeeast of the USA and then offshore.
You can argue all you want about whether this is good or bad, but it doesn't matter. We are in a global economy and anything that anybody wants WILL be successfully produced where it is cheapest to do so for the market that wants it. I have listened to many union people over the years telling me how much time they wasted and how much stuff they took home from the workplace. Doesn't sound like a labor force that's trying to minimize production costs to me. That aside, pushing to squeeze more out of the employer with a union will simply speed up the loss of manufacturing in the USA. You know it as well as I do.
I wish it was different, but it ain't, Pete Stanaitis ------------------
Millwright Ron wrote:

Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload
Millwright Ron wrote:

When I choose union representation, I'll do it with a secret ballot, not some signed card that tells the union who to lean on because they haven't signed a card yet.
Why are you afraid of the honesty of a secret ballot?
David
Add pictures here
<% if( /^image/.test(type) ){ %>
<% } %>
<%-name%>
Add image file
Upload

Polytechforum.com is a website by engineers for engineers. It is not affiliated with any of manufacturers or vendors discussed here. All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.