Millwright Ron,
I disagree that unions are good for America. The steel industries,
the auto industries - have all left America, in large part due to
influence of unions. Union strikes, are to me, indistinguishable from
other forms of terrorism - violence used to influence how others
live. Look at the ongoing writer's strike - and the vast number of
people that lost wages and incomes during this particular episode.
National Baseball may be profitable, but has not been the same
universally beloved and respected sport since the first player's
strike. My brother in law retired after 30 years in the Teamsters
union. Now he forfeits his pension if he volunteers or takes part
time work doing the one thing he loves - drive truck.
I am not out to 'prove' a point. Some unions may indeed perform the
professional growth and standards work of a craft guild - but they
choose to organize as unions. There are probably unions and locals
that benefit their members without hazarding the community and
business environment. But the historical ties to organized crime and
violence, and protection of union assets over members are what come to
my mind. Today we have lawyers sitting around bored, unlike when
unions were first organized. There are now many effective forms of
redress of grievances. The last time unions made that news that I was
aware of, was members suing unions for supporting political campaigns
in opposition to the membership's interest. 'Right to work' may well
be a slanted euphemism. I think it is a useful change.
" I disagree that unions are good for America. The steel industries,
the auto industries - have all left America, in large part due to
influence of unions"
I tend to think that the industries left america because of the greed
factor not unions.Unions guarantee a living wage and safety in the
workplace.places like china guarantee cheap labor at the expense of the
"dispendable "worker or child and the company shareholders go about there
business totally oblivious to it all.
Paddy p
When I worked for a large auto maker in the U.S., the members had 100% medical
no deductible and all coverage. It was fantastic to take a person to the
hospital and bring him back and zero is due. Just show badge and number.
That lasted one summer, I made more in 2.5 months than I did in a full year
at my other forced union job. I was able to save some, but a new home it did
for us and pay off all college debt that year. So the pay rate and the
insurance rate and various benefits were high - retirement or other work a drain
on the decreasing profits.
Without a doubt, unions had their day in the past.
They were needed without doubt. But they soon started to become what they
had conquered. The big rail strike and Pres. Truman said xx hours from now
you will be government employees. If you continue not to work it will be jail.
They went back to work rapidly.
The unions killed themselves at the implement industry. The company just
closed down for years. Ego's and power of the Unions prevented them to adjust.
The "Right to work" laws allowed an electrician to work or own a company and
work outside of the union. They didn't get union bids. It wasn't busting,
it just allowed people to work at the trade they were trained for without
paying someone for permission to do the same thing.
Martin
Martin H. Eastburn
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paddy P. wrote:
Well said John.
Back under your rock bonehead. If you really cared about the rights
of others, you'd respect ours to not have to put up with your BS!
Please confine it alt.bussiness.bashing or alt.loony.rants or where
ever it is it belongs. NOT HERE!
If you want to post about your millwright work or skills, we'd be
happy to learn.
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