OT-The party of hate picks a leader

They aren't just being forced on the left wing. They're also being forced on us moderates:

1) Pax Americana: Remaking the Middle East, and as much of the world as possible, in our image. (See "The Project For The New American Century.") 2) Break down the barriers between religion and government. (See Tom DeLay and the "Biblical-based Government.") 3) "Starve the Beast," mortgaging America's future with deficit spending in order to destroy Social Security, Medicare (it's next), and the rest of the very modest American safety net. 4) Eliminating taxes for the rich who live off of investment income, which inevitably will push the burden down the economic scale to the middle class.

And so on. It's quite a long list. As Bush said before his second inauguration, he has a big agenda, and not much time to do it. By the time conservative Americans wake up to the implications and consequences, it will be too late.

About $1.7 billion/day, and the clock is ticking...time to wake up, Gunner.

-- Ed Huntress

You say that likes its a bad thing?

But no one is being forced to participate in any religious attributes.

Come on Ed..thats been going on since the 60s by both parties.

I disagree.

Too late for the Left, or the Right? Whats good for the nation is not generally good for the Left. Hence their howls of protest. Like yours.

Yes? When the left does this, its a good thing then?

Gunner

Rule #35 "That which does not kill you, has made a huge tactical error"

It's sort of odd that most elederly count themselves as 'conservatives,' probably based more on fiscal conservatisim more than anything else. So it has come to a large shock to them that their welfare program (social security) has come under fire by the very politicians they voted for.

I think this well-illustrates the difference between being conservative with money, and being part of a political party that calls itself by that name, but really should be called the "me, me, mine, mine, nothin' for nobody else" party.

The same is true regarding their so-called "conservative" approach to intermingling religion and government.

Jim

Well, mr Dweeb just showed up with his hat in his hand on my doorstep again. He's asking for $85 BILLION dollars *more* to pay for his party in Iraq.

Not eight-five billion. Eighty-five billion MORE. I have no idea how much we've payed so far. I'm sure somebody here could put a number on that. 200, 300 B?

I told him that Gunner said I didn't have to have any right wing agendas forced on me, and that he should go and get my share from you. So yer paying double now.

Jim

DUHHH, Gee do you think it's POSSIBLE that weapons were exported as Sadam recieved his guests? Let's see in 10 years what shakes out of this tree. Using you're mentality, Usama and Zarkoui don't exist and never did...they haven't been found yet. They both were just Photoshop creations of the "wingers"

That's for another day. You asked what "goals or agendas" are being forced by the right on the rest of the country. That's one of them.

You asked about "goals and agendas." That's a goal of the right. That's an important part of their agenda.

Baloney. It was a specific agenda named and implemented by my old classmate, David Stockman, under Reagan. Bush II picked it up again. You'll see the term all over the conservative press, Gunner, usually expressed with glee.

It's something we could sort out fairly easily. It's all numbers, and the question is whether you know them or if you've accepted a right-wing snow job.

I rarely howl. I just stick to the facts.

When you tell us how we're going to duck around the trillions of dollars of debt that will be incurred with Bush's projected budgets, his plans for SS, and a declining dollar, you'll have something worth thinking about. Meantime, if you know some economics and compound interest, you'll see that it's quite a task to explain it all away -- or to figure out how we're going to pay for it. There isn't enough discretionary money in the budget left to squeeze. You have military spending, Medicare, Medicaid, and, possibly, SS. That's where it has to come from.

The left has never done this. Not even remotely close. This is a policy the likes of which we've never seen before. The WWII budget was a short, wartime emergency. Bush it planning this one for eternity.

-- Ed Huntress

The older they get, the less most people like change. That's their idea of "conservatism." For example, my AARP newsletter tells me that most older people don't want privatization of Social Security.

They're outraged. They're turning up the voltage to the third rail.

The meaning of "conservatism" has been debased to mean whatever a person wants it to mean. The funniest thing is to see the Christian right (highly authoritarian) in bed with libertarians (magnetically drawn toward anarchism, but with their current switched on "low.")

It's a foul brew of conflicting ideas. Fortunately for their peace of mind, they have very selective vision.

-- Ed Huntress

Was this a request or an "unfunded mandate"?

Snicker

Gunner

Rule #35 "That which does not kill you, has made a huge tactical error"

Yes.

Jim

Like, "let's run up the national debt to record-setting levels and then say we're financially conservative."

Jim

Wait'll they screw with social security. Then you'll hear some howling. Once the republicans get their nuts in *that* vise it's gonna be an awe-inspiring howl. I cannot believe they're really doing this.

Sure, Clinton did. Didn't he have a huge deficit when he was in office? Oh, ooops. My error. I was mistaking 'balanced budget' for 'huge deficit.' How silly of me.

Jim

Yep, they went to north korea. How come we're not invading

*them*? I guess WMDs only exist in the middle east. If they're anywhere else they're just pesky scrap metal.

Jim

I'm with you!

Jim, We can't go into NC...they might have WMD and use them!

The one that Kerry and Edwards both voted for, you mean? That one?

Clinton never had a balanced budget. He played enron-type numbers games, but the deficit kept getting bigger each of his 8 years. Doesn't sound like a balanced budget, or the "surplus" he claims to have had to me.

I'd like to see your numbers on that if you don't mind, Dave.

-- Ed Huntress

I didn't know North Carolina was a concern?

Didn't we _just_ do this like a month ago? Anyone got that GAO link, or do I have to google for Ed?