OT UPDATE the $909 parking ticket

There seems to be a pattern, unfortunately.

Interesting! :-(

Harold

Doug:

Holy Jesus, you need a hobby. Unless if yours is being perfect. If you had followed the thread to the conclusion, you would have learned that I returned the receipt to the manager and found out that I was actually supposed to get the damaged door for free, and that the girl had made the mistake. They also gave me a gift certificate on top of that.

Sometimes, it's good to post all the facts. Unless, of course, you don't want to tell the WHOLE story.

May you be judged finally with the same strict measure of judgement with which you judge others. But then, in your case, a person who is perfect, I guess that wouldn't apply, would it? And may you come to understand that people sin. It's just part of being human. The difference is a man who will tell you that he has sinned, and is making an effort not to.

As for forgiveness, the phrase "70 times 7" comes to mind, too. What makes you so perfect that you need to go to Google and get things to make yourself look good? Can I mail you a mirror?

What I say will ring in the hearts of some people here. Others won't have a clue because they live their lives comparing themselves to others, always taking the chance to point out their superiority.

If it's okay, I'll stay in the lying dishonest sinner group, because that's what I am occasionally.

And that's about as honest as I can be.

Steve

Harold:

I'm sorry, Harold. I used some of your quotes to reply to Doug, who's been in my twit filter for quite some time now. I would have posted directly to him, but since he doesn't appear on my screen, I don't see what he posts until he entwines himself with another poster. Please see that post to see my answer to Doug's busybody concerns.

Steve

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From: "Steve B" Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:52:29 -0700 Local: Wed, Sep 27 2006 9:52 pm Subject: Re: I love the way Home Depot sucks! Redux Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original | Report this message | Find messages by this author Well, we leave in the morning for Utah. I'm going to take my receipt back to the manager and see what he says happened and offer to make it right.

I will advise in about two weeks when I return.

In my absence, try to get along without me and don't fight.

Steve ;-)"

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Let me make several observations here, You claim:

"If you had

Well I did read the thread to it's conclusion, and the last post you made to the thread was the one above.

I for one do not find your story to be convincing. First in reading the thread, you attempt to justify what appears to me and to most of the other posters to that thread that you had committed theft by fraud.

Next you admit to lying in court, this is called perjury. You also advocate that others should lie in court, that is subornation of perjury.

You are a self admitted liar and a cheat, so I for one find no reason to put any credibility in your assertion that you had second thoughts about returning to the store and that they awarded you a gift certificate for your honesty.

I also find that your continuing biblical references to be self serving so I doubt that you as a person, hold much stock in the teachings.

My advice to you is if you ever find yourself in a position where your attorney advises you to decline to testify in your own behalf, take the advise, because there may very well be someone on the jury that will notice the same things as your critics have noted here.

"Roger Shoaf" wrote

Which puts me in a totally different group than those who claim to be honest and perfect, and make a hobby out of dragging up the past of others and passing judgement.

Steve

I am not so sure about the validity of your complaint that people are digging up your past and passing judgment. First off this was sort of asked for by you with you bragging and then when your behavior was challenged, you defended your actions by, in effect claiming that it was OK for you to commit a wrong because other people had done likewise, and further attacking those that called your behavior in question when you asked for it.

A totally different group? I am not so sure, it is my understanding that many convicted felons assert claims very similar to your self serving self-defense.

"Roger Shoaf" wrote

Bringing back a dead thread serves what purpose?

First off this was sort of asked

No, what I stated in this thread was that if you went in front of a judge, and at least presented a plausible lie, that you would be fined less. Attorneys get paid big bucks to do that for people. Does that make the client less of a liar just because their attorney presents their lie, and not they? And the OP stated numerous times that some of his actions were at the least a little "shady". (if not actual lies or lies by omission)

You are comingling two threads here, and I want to distinguish that.

So, therefore, now your passing of that judgement puts me in the group of convicted felons? You assume too much, my friend.

Difference is I admit guilt.

And that puts me in a different group than those who claim perfection.

Steve

IIRC, the thread of the $909 parking ticket was brought up by you, and you gloated over besting the law several times. You made several direct references to times when you took advantage of a mistake or misstep by the opposition.

We are cut from the same cloth, Roger. The biggest difference is that I know the difference between a crosswalk and a parking space

Steve, the thread, which I did not read untill you suggested that it would clear your image, indicated to me that in fact Mr. Miller's assesment of you was correct. Your continued attack on Mr. Miller appeared to invite others to agree with you and of course, disagree with you, I disagree with you.

If you are talkig about me, I do not believe that I was painting the picture that I was "shady". I was only asserting rights afforded every citizen. I do not think that that is "shady". If you know of any lawyer that lies to the court, then you should turn them in to the bar association so that they can be dealt with like Bill Clinton or Mr Nifong.

I am doing just that and with your invitation. You chose to use this forum rather than e-mail to attack someone taking issue with you. I just added my opinion based on your own words.

No, the difference is that they have been accused, tied and convicted, you are still at large.

I do not believe that Mr. Miller, myself, or anyone else that has taken issue with your conduct has claimed perfection.

If you post like an asshole, act like an asshole, then as an asshole you will be regarded.

"Ron" wrote

Been nice talking to you, too, Ron. I'm gonna miss you..

If admitting I am faulted is taken as saying I'm an asshole, then that is what I am. If challenging others who claim they are honest and unfaulted is being an asshole then I am am. If having disdain for those who are unforgiving is being an asshole then I am.

Guilty as charged.

Steve

"Roger Shoaf" wrote

You take it easy jousting with windmills, now.

Steve

You've apparently forgotten my response the last time you accused me of thinking I'm perfect:

"I'm not perfect either. One difference between you and me is that I'm

*ashamed* of my misdeeds -- whereas you're proud of yours."

You don't appear to have changed.

I did. If you recall, I was one of the biggest critics both of your dishonesty and of the pride you took in it.

I learned that you *claim* you did that, anyway -- after _several_days_ of taking heat from me and several others over your actions, which you continued to defend long after it became clear that they were indefensible.

Ummmmm...... I don't think that's quite the way it was presented then.....

The "whole story" is there, in your own words.

Oh, the irony, coming from someone who (a) refuses to admit that his actions were dishonest, and (b) makes no apparent effort to reform them, either.

Oh, give it a rest. I *never* claimed to be superior to you, except in one regard: contrasted with the pride you obviously take in your misdeeds, I feel shame for mine.

And that's unfortunate.

On Sat, 12 May 2007 14:55:25 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm, "Roger Shoaf" quickly quoth:

Join the rest of us who plonked him, won't you? (That way we won't have to put up with his crap--or y'all quoting it--any longer. ;)

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