Re: Why does jerry irvine ship rocket motors as "model aircraft parts"?

We all know why he did that -- it's because he can't ship his motors legally, so he has to hide what he's shipping.

The real question is why does Jerry keep making a lightning rod of himself? He KNEW he was shipping illegally, so the smart move would be to keep his mouth shut and his business under the table. Does he do this? No! Instead, he loudly and repeatedly insists that he's perfectly legal, that he's been screwed by TRA/NAR, and that everyone who catches him in a lie is a traitor/liar/etc.

Figuratively speaking, Jerry's standing on a mountaintop during a thunderstorm holding a ten foot steel launch rod, and bitching 'cause he keeps getting fried.

Just roll over and die already.

Pax

Could it be greed and a lack of ethics?

Hmmm... Don't neglect the possibility that he's right. To parapharase something James Mason said in "Heaven Can Wait", the probability someone is right increases the more people try to convince him he's wrong.

It may well be that shipping his motors is perfectly legal by the word of law, which is what Jerry seems to maintain - but that doesn't mean he can't be prosecuted; the word of law meaning little these days.

(Heck, 90% of what the IRS does isn't supported by law)

Sometimes you just have to rub blue mud in your navel if that's the local custom - and calling them "model airplane parts" could be considered such an accomodation. There's even a shred of truth in it, at least as much as there is in 5 year-olds being accused of "making terroristic threats".

Hey Jerry, looks you have a new supporter. His words have a familiar ring to us previous believers/suckers..

Fred

Scott Schuckert wrote:

If he really believed that, he wouldn't have disguised the contents by labeling it "model aircraft parts".

Disclusure is not disguise.

If you claim I thought I shipped explsives as nothing, you miss the point.

If you admit I have papers that say they are NOT explosives, you get the point.

Of course the DOT monologue and menu of lies in administrative orders is going to take the most aberrant position possible. They are a bureaucracy!

Look at the ATF!

But then you miss the point so often it is either intentional or you cannot comprehend basic logic and english. Or both.

Jerry

You lied, plain and simple. How is labeling class B materials, as "model aircraft parts", disclosure? How is that not fraudulent on ANY level?

No, you do not have ANY paperwork authorizing you to ship class B materials.

The point is, you, jerry irvine are a liar, so do everybody a favor and sit down and shut up.

The point is that requiring propellant, in the forms and formulas encountered in sport rocketry products, to be shipped and stored as "Explosives, Class 1" (or "class B materials" by the old designations) is excessive and overly restrictive. Such a designation overstates the actual hazards associated with handling the material in practice, and creates unnecessary hassles in its commerce, transport, and use.

-dave w

Wipe your chin.

Actually, the point is, "Why does jerry irvine ship rocket motors as "model aircraft parts"?". That's the point. Got it now?

NOT Class B materials. That much we DO know to an utter certainty!!

Therefore your question assumes facts proven opposite. Not merely not in evidence.

Here:

Hey dude. It says what it says!

That has to stick in your craw really, really bad!

A lot of hot air, but still no answer to the question.

How would you label them? "Scary Dangerous Flammable Rocket Motors that Don't Actually Qualify For The 'Class 1 Explosives' Hazard Category But We Want Everyone To Think They Do"??

-dave w

Is that the only possibility you can come up with? I think you I.Q. is showing.

:) They would have fined me for that too, but it would look great in the pleading!!

Top 10 things Jerry should label the next "exempt" shipment:

That makes you stupid and myopic.

Engage the discussion or be plonked.

Your choice.

The question is, Why does jerry irvine ship rocket motors as "model aircraft parts"?

For Christ's sake, it's a jerry thread, try to stay on topic.

Answer the question, Why does jerry irvine ship rocket motors as "model aircraft parts"?

After you answer that one, you can try this one, how is fraudulently mislabeling hazardous materials as inert, NOT a violation of federal law and more importantly, how negates the PAD exemption! How were the motors manufactured, transported or properly labeled for their intended use?

Plonk.

All evidence retained.