jerry irvine is a lying coward

jerry, did I get your attention? Good.
I have a question for you.
What was YOUR purpose and intent, when you labeled a 210 pound shipment
of rocket motors, as "model aircraft parts"?
Be specific.
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www.google.com This topic has been killed to death.

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But a truthful answer to the question still has not been forthcoming.
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zzzzzz....
Wake me up when the trolls are fed and this newsgroup isn't humping Jerry and actually talks about rockets.
Ad Dave to my boring fools list. Yawn.

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I'm sure when Jerry's posts reflect less noise, such a siginal to noise ratio will result. Notice any difference after iz departed??? As for as humping Jerry, he has a lock on that activity, via self indulgence..(:-)
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I browse often, but don't post much.
I tried to talk rocketry 6 months ago when i first tried to post on this forum and was immediately attacked by Jerry and told what an idiot i was..
So it doesn't surprise me much when i see what's going on now..
Now back to finishing repairs on this Amraam4.. oops that's rocketry related sorry
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snipped-for-privacy@aol.com (FIREMANUP) wrote:

Based on both your ROL chat posts and your TRF posts, I was right.
But given you prefaced your current message with that, I can't wait to see what helpful, tech post you have now!!

Oh. None.
How surprising.
How about a post with the subject: Building an Amraam4, here's what I learned . . .
Just a suggestion from the people at Jerry.
Jerry
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Where's TRF when ya need it? ;-)
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Letting the troll overflow leak back onto RMR!!

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It's back!
Flee, Flee.
That is unless troll baiting is a hobby of yours
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Prime.
Like Brennion.

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I've been following KBR on tripoli quad cities and have come to respect and admire what you guys have been doing.
However like i said, here's another example of Jerry's supreme intelligence.
I'm a real guy who's fairly new to rocketry, (3 yrs) who came to ROL and asked questions to learn something, and this is the type of response i got from Jerry then as well as now.
So if KBR truly thinks this is advantageous to rocketry let me know I'm curious.
In about a year of watching RMR I have yet to see Jerry Irvine give any worthwile advice on anything except how to obtain large fines from the DOT, he's gone so far as to show us how also.
I've seen him denounce the major rocketry organizations here. Then fill out his new profile to start posting on TRF and claim to be a member of TRA.
So Jerry has succeeded in completely turning me off to this forum and impacted my feel of the hobby. Someone here really believes slamming the new people is a good idea for the hobby?
Blame the trolls all you want but if you truly believe what he gets isn't deserved, or even more probable, wanted by him, you've been reading this forum with blinders on.
Continue to support Jerry's crap and fine examples, (model airplane parts, give me a break) and you'll continue to drive new people away.
And so many of you wonder why your hobby is in trouble???? I'll go elsewhere
Say what you will, but these are the feelings of a newbie looking in, if you're not concerned with that you'll have no new people. With no new people you and I both know your hobby is going away.
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snipped-for-privacy@aol.com (FIREMANUP) wrote:

2-10-04 ROL Chat
From: firemanup (Home Page) (New Message) at 6:13 PM EST still wondering if his dual peronalities are going to make up their minds on wether or not AP is a LE
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 6:12 PM EST lol
From: firemanup (Home Page) (New Message) at 6:11 PM EST jerry's contradicting himself again i guess
MORE
From: firemanup (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:31 PM EST jerry.. old man.. call me a pussy some more and act big and tough on the puter ok.. i'm sure it will make you feel better about yourself
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:31 PM EST MAWD is much smaller
From: firemanup (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:30 PM EST they claim firing up to 10 ematches also with the mawd at once..
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:30 PM EST Just because you are not familiar with how the law itself is a tangled web does not make me inconsistent. The question defines which law is at issue.
From: rdbones (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:30 PM EST http://web.ask.com/redir?bpg=http%3a%2f%2fweb.ask.com%2fweb%3fq%3dapcp%2b -%2bpropellant%26o%3d0%26page%3d1&q=apcp+-+propellant&u=http%3a%2f%2ftm.w c.ask.com%2fr%3ft%3dan%26s%3da%26uid%3d01236AB0084859204%26sid%3d17DACAB0 084859204%26qid%3d6EAA9FD165B0C84584D91C78D722BC10%26io%3d1%26sv%3dza5cb0 d89%26o%3d0%26ask%3dapcp%2b-%2bpropellant%26uip%3d409e559c%26en%3dte%26eo %3d-100%26pt%3dModel%252fHigh%2bPower%2bRocket%2bRegulatory%2bEnvironment %26ac%3d24%26qs%3d1%26pg%3d1%26ep%3d1%26te_par%3d152%26te_id%3d%26u%3dhtt p%3a%2f%2fhome.earthlink.net%2f%7edavid.schultz%2fregulation%2fNPRM968res ponse.html&s=a&bu=http%3a%2f%2fhome.earthlink.net%2f%7edavid.schultz%2fre gulation%2fNPRM968response.html&qte=0&o=0 interesting reading regarding Response to Notice of Proposed Rulemaking No. 968, Commerce in Explosives (2000R-9P), 68 Fed. Reg. 4406 (Jan. 29, 2003)
From: firemanup (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:30 PM EST i did notice the size difference scott... pretty easy to use..??
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:30 PM EST is Oxral ematches a good choice to use with the RRC2?
From: scottm (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:30 PM EST i like my MAWD, small and accurate
From: Todd Moore (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:30 PM EST Automated message: Todd Moore logged off.
From: Todd Moore (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:29 PM EST Something is really screwed up here.
From: Todd Moore (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:29 PM EST Hey.. I gotta go. I'll be back when the room is working.
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:29 PM EST lol
From: firemanup (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:29 PM EST guess jerry isn't the only one that can cut and paste.. spose i should post that to rmr so everyone can see...
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:28 PM EST At "normal conditions" (ie DOT tests).
From: firemanup (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:28 PM EST evenin todd
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:28 PM EST lol
From: Todd Moore (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:28 PM EST Automated message: Todd Moore joined the conference.
From: firemanup (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:28 PM EST one second it's not a LE the next second it is.. lol i love it
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:28 PM EST i agree
From: firemanup (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:28 PM EST Jerry at 5:21 PM EST If its "intended use" were not "exempt" it would be an LE.
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:28 PM EST RRC2 is good. Worth the wait.
From: firemanup (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:28 PM EST Jerry at 5:20 PM EST LE need no tbe either friction or heat sensitive. APCP is neither.
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:27 PM EST so I'm still waiting.......
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:27 PM EST Citizens have RIGHTS fire-pussy
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:27 PM EST the RRC2 had a good reputation, so I decided against the MAWD
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:26 PM EST i considered a MAWD too
From: firemanup (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:26 PM EST boy that's a hell of an idea for making your life hell
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:26 PM EST
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:25 PM EST Ask them for a letter STATING you are exempt and if they refuse just file an administrative action :) Clog their day with BS.
From: firemanup (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:25 PM EST yup.. bout ready to go to a perfect flight mawd
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:25 PM EST rrc2
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:25 PM EST missile works
From: scottm (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:25 PM EST that sux, which one?
From: firemanup (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:25 PM EST lol
From: firemanup (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:25 PM EST yup
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:25 PM EST tlol
From: firemanup (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:25 PM EST which one you waitin on mach...? lol
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:25 PM EST missile works?
From: firemanup (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:25 PM EST guess i'll just sit in here and watch jerry contradict himself
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:25 PM EST hey me too firemanup
From: scottm (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:24 PM EST then go hybrid, no LEUPs unless you use a certain AT load
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:24 PM EST Want entertainment? Invite the agent over to READ THE LAW TO THEM!!
From: firemanup (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:24 PM EST not too bad.. gettin frustrated.. been waitin on my alt for a month.. been on back order
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:23 PM EST I just dont think I'm up to the hassle
From: scottm (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:23 PM EST not to bad jason, didnt see you sneak in, how have you been?
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:22 PM EST I have thought about it
From: firemanup (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:22 PM EST hey scott how ya doin
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:22 PM EST yea I know
From: scottm (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:21 PM EST mach, if you want an leup, talk to your atfe rep about it, ask if you can get a variance for the detached building and 75 feet thing
From: rdbones (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:21 PM EST good point - I should have asked the type of propellant to begin with --
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:21 PM EST If its "intended use" were not "exempt" it would be an LE.
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:20 PM EST LE need no tbe either friction or heat sensitive. APCP is neither.
From: scottm (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:20 PM EST rd, do you use your propellent in guns? for blsting?
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:19 PM EST drat
From: rdbones (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:19 PM EST why's that jerry
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:19 PM EST NO attached garage unless a special waiver is issued. Usually only in rural areas.
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:18 PM EST rd inaccurate
From: rdbones (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:17 PM EST the propellant is considered a low explosive
From: rdbones (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:17 PM EST low explosive = a relatively slow-burning explosive, usually set off by heat or friction, used for propelling charges in guns or for ordinary blasting.
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:17 PM EST attached garage?
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:16 PM EST detached structure 75 feet or more from an inhabited building and in a locale not adverse to it.
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:15 PM EST 0.14 inches per second (500 psi). 1.8mm/s ambient
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:14 PM EST what does qualify
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:14 PM EST Something like 60-70% of the population live in homes that do not qualify for a LE*P.
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:13 PM EST uh 4" a minute?
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:13 PM EST doubt I could meet storage
From: rdbones (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:13 PM EST Mach 1 - at what speed does the propellant burn ?
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:13 PM EST right I dont want to hassle with a LEUP
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:12 PM EST still hassle tho
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:12 PM EST true on both counts
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:12 PM EST ATF high fee, background check, INSPECTION, hardware, VERY, VERY restrictive what sites qualify.
From: ed benett (New Message) at 5:12 PM EST Automated message: ed benett joined the conference.
From: scottm (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:11 PM EST mike, next launch is the 21st, lets shoot for that one
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:10 PM EST FAA no fee or background check
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:10 PM EST Fcc no background check
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:09 PM EST Actually you have omitted 6 other agencies that regulate the manufacturers, none of which are necessarily ATF. Not could NOT be any more regulated.
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:08 PM EST PADS?
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:08 PM EST OOOOHHHH but there not explosives
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:07 PM EST Motors happen to be "exempt explosives".Congress says so.
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:07 PM EST you get my point
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:07 PM EST could it be anymore regulated?
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:07 PM EST disagree fully
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:07 PM EST then you need a FCC licencese to track it
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:06 PM EST then you need a waiver
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:06 PM EST agree fully
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:06 PM EST tfirst you need a leup for the motor
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:06 PM EST I just want to fly rockets
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:06 PM EST agree load of shit Mach 1
From: firemanup (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:05 PM EST Automated message: firemanup joined the conference.
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:05 PM EST I have a feeling there are a few people who want me to be Frankenstein with explosive bolts :)
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:05 PM EST tbut its the law
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:04 PM EST I personally think the whole stinking thing is a load of shit
From: scottm (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:04 PM EST thats cool mike, ill just hafta wait till the next launch, gives me more time to horde motors
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:04 PM EST tno
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:04 PM EST Even if you claimed a LEUP was needed
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:04 PM EST lol
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:03 PM EST Explosive bolts?
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:03 PM EST Are you using non-exempt explosives at a launch?
From: rdbones (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:03 PM EST hi scott
From: MRoland (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:03 PM EST Scott sorry but the package just aint gonna make it before sunday I have ben all tied up at work...
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:03 PM EST if what
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:03 PM EST if
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:02 PM EST So your saying we now need a LEUP? At least one?
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:02 PM EST :) scottm
From: scottm (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:02 PM EST howdy rd
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:01 PM EST There are no ATF agents swarming at launches. Even if you claimed a LEUP was needed only ONE guy at the ENTIRE launch would have to have it to make the WHIOLE LAUNCH legal.
From: rdbones (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:01 PM EST afternoon
From: rdbones (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:01 PM EST Automated message: rdbones joined the conference.
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:01 PM EST lol scottm
From: MRoland (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:00 PM EST Cant you speak on any other topic..... Rhetorical question cause we know the answer already....
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 5:00 PM EST the club has nothing to do with it
From: scottm (Home Page) (New Message) at 5:00 PM EST oh, almost forgot, i own any statement i make in this and any other forum, no reproductions w/o express written consent
From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:00 PM EST ADVOCATE compliance with the law 27 CFR 555.141-a-8 (and show the club the NAR-TRA papers proving it!!
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 4:59 PM EST saying "jerry told you so" dosent cut it with the dealers or the ATF
From: scottm (Home Page) (New Message) at 4:59 PM EST unfortionatley, the LAW is enforced by guys with guns and cuffs, and those guys say we need the LEUP, get over it Jerry.
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 4:59 PM EST maybe
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 4:59 PM EST
From: Jerry (New Message) at 4:58 PM EST Can't get one AND don't need one according to a silly thing called the LAW.
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 4:58 PM EST whats a guy to do?
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 4:58 PM EST but they still want to fly
From: Jerry (New Message) at 4:58 PM EST I agree Mach 1
From: MRoland (Home Page) (New Message) at 4:57 PM EST Oh poor me the big bad boys at TRA and NAR are mean to me...snivel snivel... Get over it and buy a clue.
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 4:57 PM EST some guys cant get a LEUP, or dont want to
From: Jerry (New Message) at 4:57 PM EST If alex would just give Jay his wedding pictures his family would hate him less.
From: MRoland (Home Page) (New Message) at 4:56 PM EST Jerry Is it that you like to hear your own gums flap.... Your age old rhetoric is getting really boring...
From: Jerry (New Message) at 4:56 PM EST I am consistent.
From: Jerry (New Message) at 4:55 PM EST I have taken far greater issue with the dealers than a mere guys elling LEUP services for a commission on a product for which a LE*P is NEVER legally needed.
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 4:54 PM EST tright or wrong
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 4:54 PM EST those dealers are just doing what the ATF told them to do
From: Jerry (New Message) at 4:52 PM EST The post made a needed point. troj was just the "delivery system".
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 4:52 PM EST what did you hope to accomplish?
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 4:51 PM EST troj is a friend of mine, you didnt need to do that
From: Jerry (New Message) at 4:51 PM EST It's always better if it is an identifiable person posting something nonsensical, like the troj post.
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 4:49 PM EST lol
From: Jerry (New Message) at 4:49 PM EST If alex would just give Jay his wedding pictures his family would hate him less.
From: Jerry (New Message) at 4:49 PM EST Collecting content Mach 1. Say something postworthy :)
From: MRoland (Home Page) (New Message) at 4:46 PM EST Automated message: MRoland joined the conference.
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 4:46 PM EST whatcha gonna repost today Jerry?
From: Mach 1 (New Message) at 4:41 PM EST Automated message: Mach 1 joined the conference.
From: Jerry (New Message) at 4:38 PM EST If alex would just give Jay his wedding pictures his family would hate him less.
From: Jerry (New Message) at 4:37 PM EST hi
I have so many firemanup wacky posts, but this one happens to be instructive due to my responses (proven in court).
Just Jerry
P.S. (that means postscript) Fuck you Firemanup. Newbie with no social skills.
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Jerry Irvine wrote:

Hey, Lying Coward, if you so "legal", why did you label over 200 pounds of rocket motors as "model aircraft parts"? you weren't trying to deceive anyone, were you?
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<< From: Jerry (New Message) at 5:16 PM EST detached structure 75 feet or more from an inhabited building and in a locale not adverse to it. >>
FUD! An indoor magazine is NOT subject to the 75' requirements, nor is the building it's housed in. You can have an indoor magazine in a shed three feet from your back door. Only _outdoor_ magazines are subject to distance requirements.
You may also be able to put an indoor magazine in an attached garage if you can get a variance; however at least some regions are not issuing variances.
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snipped-for-privacy@aol.com (RayDunakin) wrote:

I am willing to be technically corrected on explosives magazine placements. [especially from a contemperaneous chatlog where careful checking before posting is less likely]
PADS are exempt from storage in magazines, so it does not matter to me.
I have never had propellant or motors required to be in a licensed magazine I had or during the term of an ATF permit I have.
Ever. WITH regular inspections.
Jerry

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Jerry "The Lying weasel coward" Irvine wrote:

More lies! You have no LEMP! The BATFE TOOK it from you, because of violations and criminal charges, why else would you need a criminal defense attorney?
If you have a LEMP, why not prove me wrong and post it?
How does shipping rocket motors as "model aircraft parts", not a violation of Federal law regarding the "manufacturing, importation and distributing" of PADS?
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:) I did.
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Jerry Irvine wrote:

Where's the link?
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<< I have never had propellant or motors required to be in a licensed magazine I had or during the term of an ATF permit I have. Ever. WITH regular inspections. >>
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