OT: Welding Question

The HAZMAT charge is because of the danger of handling high pressure gas cylinders.

Hazmat charges are a way to charge more money but have a pricelist that does not reflect the real cost. Hazmat charges are not ( as far as I know ) uniform between vendors.

Dan

On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 08:06:30 -0400, the inscrutable "Glenn Ashmore" spake:

All together now, boys: "DUH!"

If you take a large hammer and whack the neck off one, tell us what you see...if you live. There are probably no hazmat fee on empties, just large tanks full of compressed oxidizers and explosive or toxic gases.

It's called PV'ing the public.

Ackshooly, from a pure biochemical POV, pure O2 *is* in fact toxic. This admittedly is a bit of a stretch, tho. Yeah, and the fire thing, pressure thing... But really just another goddamm PV.

Do you know that in NYC you need a goddamm Fire-Dept-issued *license* for a goddamm *compressor*?? You need a periodic inspection for the goddamm tank, AND you gotta go down and take a goddamm TEST! Oh, and of course each has it's *separate fee*, and has to be renewed at some interval.

Now, NYC really doesn't care about these licenses, because they make so much money in *fines and penalties* when they catch you, they almost can't keep laughing in front of you. Among a litany of other PV'ing/revenue-raising bullshit here in the Big Rotten veryhighpriced Apple. BUT, The drug dealers/homeboyz are free to run rampant in the streets, and party ad libitum.

"Probably" ??

Do you realize your use this word reduces your credibility into the minus range?

Steve

"SteveB" wrote: "Probably" ?? Do you realize your use this word reduces your credibility into the minus range? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It probably would, if I could figure out what your objection is.

Probably that in an empty, there is no longer hazardous material, ergo probably no fee. Which probably makes sense, thus "probable" being probably a useless qualifier. Probably Steve's objection. Admittedly a little harsh...

Except, what Steve dudn't realize is, the bureacracy *definitely* need not make sense at all, when it comes to PV'ing the public and revenue raising. Sheeit, they might could UP the fee on an empty, based on what *could* happen (an im-probability) if it were improperly filled!!

---------------------------- Mr. P.V.'d formerly Droll Troll

Sorry, Leo. I apologize. You are a good poster, and I have read a lot of good stuff from you.

I hate two words. "Probably" and "should".

Particularly when they come to things that go boom unexpectedly.

I took exception to the use of "probably" in the same sentence about high pressure vessels.

Just a reaction.

Like hearing, "This SHOULD work!" Well, give me a minute to get to a safe location, and go ahead and try her.

I have dealt with explosives, high pressure piping, compressed gases, heavy rigging (up to 500 tons), and lots of other potentially lethal things. And when I hear those words, I just pucker .......... if you get my meaning .........

Again, sorry, Leo.

Steve

Just had a pair of tanks delivered 1 A & 1 O

Driver took the caps off before he moved them off the truck.

Dropped the O cylinder from truck bed to ground. I exited the area quickly.

Driver never moved a muscle, just watched it fall.

Tank hit on side no damage.

Real impressed with his safety attitude.

Guess thats why they need to charge a hazmat fee.

Hugh

"SteveB" wrote: (clip) I took exception to the use of "probably" in the same sentence about high pressure vessels. (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Steve, I wasn't expecting an apology, and none is needed. Your explanation, along with "Proctologically Violated's" PROBABLY covered it pretty well.

However, in defense of Larry's use of the word, he was referring to empty cylinders.

That would be a pucker factor check for me for sure!

When unloading cylinders, it is common accepted practice to drop them on their bottoms. It is the thickest part of the tank. Made that way, so if moisture is ever present in the cylinder, and corrosion takes place, it is corroding the thickest metal.

Still unnerving to watch them do it, though.

What IS impressive is to watch an experienced handler take two tall tanks, form a vee with them, and roll them 50 feet, and not miss a step. I couldn't make it past two feet.

Steve

On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 16:12:37 -0700, the inscrutable "SteveB" spake:

You Should filter my posts if you're that sensitive, Steve. They Probably will continue to upset you.

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