Sawzalls and recoil

I haven't used either of those two units, but the Milwaukee Super Sawzall (which I have) has an internal counterbalance weight to help counter vibration. I think the bottom end models may not have this feature. You might check to see if either of the units you have has a counterbalance. Other important features are tool free blade changes and shoe depth adjustments. I know PC has that funky swivelable head, but in many years with the regular super sawzall I've run into few if any tasks where that feature would be useful.

I have used a DeWalt and a Ryobi. The Ryobi was better at shaking a can of paint. If one has more than 1 complaint of having a lot of vibration/shake/or recoil I'd say take a pass on it, regardless of brand.

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Iggy, anyone who doesn't know the source of and solution to recip recoil hasn't spent much time with them.

Keep the sole plate tight to the work, and it won't happen, unless you tip-end smack the work or a fastener.

(have a Super Sawzall; had a Riobi and a Bosch. Got the Sawzall because of the stroke and longevity of the tool, not it's operating characteristics.)

LLoyd

Lloyd, I had the same feeling about recoil.

You already own the saw. Why would you ask what others think about its recoil when all you have to do is plug it in and find out for yourself? Why the hell would you care?

John Martin

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" wrote: (clip) Keep the sole plate tight to the work, and it won't happen, unless you

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If the sole plate is allowed to have zero pressure or less against the work, the saw will DANCE. Saws which have an internal counter weight run more smoothly under all circumstances. My first really good saber-saw was a Bosch, and I was really impressed at how much easier it was to follow a line. You don't have to lean on the saw to keep it steady.

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That's what I said, Leo! You don't have to PUSH, just keep the shoe down snug, and the saw will track like it should. It cuts on the pull. Only inertia of the ram and drag in the cut will make it push away from the work.

I've personally never had trouble with any recip keeping it steady in the cut -- not even on the dirt-cheap battery run ones.

LLoyd

RCM only

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:53:26 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus26581 scrawled the following:

Both are widely acclaimed tool mfgrs. I prefer the Bosch tools over DeWally.

I own a Porter Cable Tiger Saw recip and it has a pretty heavy recip action, but that's because it's heavy-duty and will last a long time.

I believe the ergonomics are better on the Bosch than the PC or DW, so I'd likely keep the Bosch rather than the DW.

Key idea: Which one feels better in your hands, demoing a wall?

Uh, wanna trade?

-- Nothing is a waste of time if you use the experience wisely. -- Rodin

Ship them both two me, and I'll isse them to my work trucks. In a few years I'll let you know which one held up better.

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" wrote: That's what I said, Leo! You don't have to PUSH, just keep the shoe

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ So, why did I post what I did? Quoting from your post, "Keep the sole plate tight to the work, and it won't happen," I felt that it was not completely clear that the rotating counter weight makes this a lot easier. It won't matter much on a Saws-all, doing demolition, but when you're doing delicate work with a saber saw, a light touch makes it easier to control the cut.

I don't think we disagree, except slightly on emphasis :-)

I've got the 3/4" stroke one. Good for demolition. The long stroke would be great if you can keep all the blade in the cut. I wish they made a variable stroke model.

Wes

I tried both tonight. The vibration is same. I will keep the new Bosch over the used DeWALT.

I bought one of these at a yard sale a year ago. I used it 3 times to cut 3/16 steel plate.

I used it properly and with lubricant, and the proper blade.

It blew out all the teeth in the drive. It started with one or two..and then ripped all the rest of them off in an orgy of self destruction.

So I grabbed my well worn, dirty, grungy, dinged 20 yr old Milwaukee, and finished the job..and the 30 or more jobs since then

Ya takes yur changes....

"Obama, raises taxes and kills babies. Sarah Palin - raises babies and kills taxes." Pyotr Flipivich

Could it be that the "garage sale" seller knew a little more about this saw, than he let on?

Don't you know better than to buy tools made for Democrats?

Given that the case, the blades and the saw itself were covered with sheetrock dust, and the other items in the yard sale were sheetrock related, mixing trays etc etc..I assumed that the saw hadnt seen much rough duty..cutting holes in sheetrock seldom taxes a decent hand tool.

Ive put it up on the RoundTuit shelf, and will open it up on a rainy day this winter and see if I can get replacement parts from DeWalt.

Today, Im playing with my (new to me) Millermatic 35..AND the beautiful and minty Miller Thunderbolt AC/DC welders...

All scores bartered for a bit of labor and expertise in machine tool repair...and maybe $45 in gas money

Anyone heard of a Tregaskiss Tough-Gun? Its on the Millermatic 35.

Damn that welder has a small main transformer though.....

Gunner

"Obama, raises taxes and kills babies. Sarah Palin - raises babies and kills taxes." Pyotr Flipivich

"Well, there's your problem..." ;-P

I've been beating on the DeWalt 18V cordless recip saw (first gen) for years, no problem.

(Well, except for loaning it to a cow-orker and getting it back missing the bent-T 5/16 hex key, not noticed till next use...)

Just had to plunge cut a 2X4 at a 45-degree angle because the drywall hole wasn't big enough for the 5-1/4" DeWalt circ saw to cut it out, just enough to get a starter slot at the right spot - bent a

It is possible, I've done it many times.

The hard part is identification, since they don't like handing out the exploded diagrams. And since they shut down the Woodland Hills DeWalt/B&D repair depot where I could just walk in and look it up on their computer, point and say "Order two of them, one of this..."

Now the closest depot is in North Orange County somewhere.

My turn - You Suck! ;-)

If you see anything in another medium sized engine-drive go by, let me know. My brother came to me with a "Great Deal!" on portable generators that turned out to be the old scam - "We're selling these used for cheap because we put fuel in them and ran them a few hours as demos, and we can't ship them back to the factory with fuel in them."

Typical Chinese knockoffs that you will never get parts for in a year or two - not without making them yourself. Disposable power equipment.

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Well, there ya' go. Never lend a tool to a cow-orker. d8-)

-- Ed Huntress

Ive a 3000 watt that has Honda stickers all over it. Unfortunately the model number sticker is for a big Honda genset in a soundproof housing...after I took it in trade.

Its been working ok, hundred hours or so on it, but...it aint a Honda, though its a clone.

Gunner

"Obama, raises taxes and kills babies. Sarah Palin - raises babies and kills taxes." Pyotr Flipivich