The main reason I read this newsgroup is hear what others do. A lot of the time I never use the information, but still enjoy reading about how others approach problems. So thanks for posting. And thanks to all the others who posted what they do. It is all better than the OT posts.
Dan
Mom said you'd go blind!
Adapter/conversion boards have been available for years.. I've also seen equipment with dip package enclosures to mount a few small components in, then place the cover on it. I've worked with ICs since the '70s. They aren't that complicated.. even reflowing large flat packs, and amizingly they even worked properly afterward. All the pins are right where they're supposed to be, deal with it.
So you imply that no one has your experience or expertise.. and everyone's too dumb to understand the importance.
I can't make it any clearer.. it was't the topic, it was the whining about not receiving the level of appreciation you were apparently assuming you'd receive.
Metalworking, recreation.. if I'd seen any indication that you could comprehend what's written, I'd suggest you look up those words.
It's similar to you going to a cooking class and discussing your bloody farts problem.
"Wild_Bill" fired this volley in news:P2xgt.3947$ snipped-for-privacy@en-nntp-16.dc.easynews.com:
If the cooking or the 'wild' cooks are the cause, then it's an apt subject for discussion.
Sure... TI released their first full-scale TTL Handbook in '67 or '68, but by then they were 'old hat' for real engineers. RTL and DTL were already on the phase-out by then.
But more to your point: If this recreational metalworking forum isn't the right place to discuss an electronics help for recreational machinists to do recreational CNC conversions, then where, exactly, should we discuss it?
Oh... I know... we'll go discuss machining-related subjects on the electronics-only/video games fora, and see how they respond. You say _I_ don't understand?
"Large flat packs" shows exactly where your accumulation of IC knowlege stopped. That was what -- '83? So I guess my "implication" of your skills was fully correct.
If you had any appreciation of the current technologies, I'd ask you to look up a few terms, too.
LLoyd
Lloyd
Sure. Laugh. I'm not rich like you. ;)
Well, I'm sorry that you're offended. I was just making a suggestion, and as such I was expecting you only take it if it made sense.
Hot air has been universally accepted as a favorable/preferred method for assembly and rework applications. Hot air (or hot, clean, dry nitrogen) and other methods also work well in small production runs and repair work.
I have hot air nozzles which have an integral shield, specifically to direct the hot air flow away from the IC package, and heat just the leads.. but Lloyd has also missed that development which has been around for years, too.
Only LLoyd is insisting that his perfect method is the only method which can or should ever be used.
He's essentially said that anyone who doesn't understand the paramount significance is too stupid (dolt) to appreciate the true value of his shared genius.
Sound familiar? It's the same egomaniacal blathering stance as gummer and a few others here.
The more they babble, the more stupidity they reveal.
"Wild_Bill" fired this volley in news:DR4ht.321409$ snipped-for-privacy@en-nntp-13.dc.easynews.com:
Idiot! You just don't know _anything_ about soldering, do you?
I was working with hot air rework stations before you started pretending to form words about it.
Hot air is not a satisfactory method with some chips, because you cannot prevent it from flowing up and on the body, even with shields.
But, I guess you can't read, either. I said "masked IR". Which part didn't you understand; the English parts? In masked infra-red reflow, the chip body only heats to that degree permitted by conduction from the leads, but almost zero heat is imposed on the body by the source.
Hot air reflow, on the other hand, could only be best described as "not 'deliberately' heating the body of the chip".
There IS a method that can be used that uses a heat-dissipating gel to keep the body of the chip cool; and their are custom 'body-fitted' heat sink clamps that may be applied... But you didn't know about those, either.
Obviously, you've never done any method, or you'd know that. There's only one thing worse than a charlatan like you; an idiot, lying charlatan like you who's been caught out.
Lloyd
"Wild_Bill" fired this volley in news:Dr5ht.115546$ snipped-for-privacy@en-nntp-16.dc.easynews.com:
...or even mentally competent; only a liar, pretending that stuff you 'read about on-line' is stuff you KNOW about. Twit!
Since you can't do either 'metalworking' or 'recreation' without confusing them with an opportunity to lie about something, why don't you now just 'shutthefuckup', as you say, Weird Blowhard.
Lloyd
So ignore all the facts.. no surprise, since facts don't support you're agenda.
Ah.. counter-accusations. Is that rule #2 or #3 after rule #1: Deny?
You're a genuine idiot.
Timeline of posts.. you're blatently wrong, and won't become right regardless of how many accusations you dispense.
Maybe all the upper tier servers are lying too.
Go ahead, charm us with your impressions of yourself.. repeat after gummer.
Holy Shit.. I wasn't replying to you or your bullshit.
Jon referred to hot air, I commented that it's been utilized by industry for years.
FOAD
"Wild_Bill" fired this volley in news:t27ht.234614$ snipped-for-privacy@en-nntp-03.dc.easynews.com:
Bill, You were and are completely right. I was slightly off-base by offering a method I thought would benefit a few people here, without first asking everyone if they already had a better method.
I was even more off-base by being surprised and very disappointed that a DIY forum might not want and need an easy way to solve a problem I thought more folks here had.
Their methods clearly are adequate for all purposes with all types of ICs, and I rudely ignored that fact. It was completely wrong of me to try so hard to convince people of the merits of the idea, no matter if I have experience with all of their alternative methods, or not (for a fact, I do).
From now on, when I offer a method I think a few people might appreciate, I will very carefully preface any message I make about it with, "For anyone who doesn't already have a better method, let me offer this:"
Does that satisfy? Does that make amends for my selfish behavior?
Lloyd
Newp. We need no apology, but you rudely ignored those of us who already had him neatly stuffed in our twit filters by posting to him. Twit him immediately, please. It'll make _you_ feel better, too.
Larry Jaques fired this volley in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:
Twitting now. LS
Well done, sir!
Thank you!
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Without getting mired in the dick-measuring that ensued after you posted th is, let me just say, "Thanks." There have been more and more parts lately t hat I skip over in my designs because I have no economical way to prototype with them. Proto-Advantage could well be the answer. I will be trying them soon, for sure.
On another note, I just got a new order in from Zenni. In this order (since it was a buy one, get one half-price deal), I add a pair of close up glass es. My regular reading prescription with an extra two diopters to bring the focus up close for this tiny stuff. Way, way better than non-prescription magnifiers, and cost me about 15 bucks.
For the really tiny stuff, I will continue to use a microscope, but these g lasses should go a long way in reducing the number of times I have to go th at route. And, for the really, really tiny stuff, I'll let Proto-Advantage deal with it.
Thanks again.
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